Conclusions

[kso_FAN]

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

A lot to not very much. (though there was a drop in INT%!)

[06wildcat]

The truly disappointing thing is that Sams hasn't even been given the opportunity to fail. Meanwhile we're going to get more of Waters who is now 2-2 as a starter with 5 TDs and 7 turnovers in four games.

[Ira Hayes]

Considering McDonald is worthless and can't block worth a crap, I think we should have them both back there ready to take the snap.

[Rage Against the McKee]

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

A lot to not very much. (though there was a drop in INT%!)

That's an understatement. Sams is infinitely better, and that is honest math.

[Rams]

I completely disagree

there is no reason to not start Sams and see if we get down enough that we need Waters to throw to Lockett every down.  The way Waters stares him down I know Sams can make the same reads and I believe Sams has the arm to make the throws.

The next DC will of been on the job for more than 10 days and will have more than just man up and blitz on passing downs. 

The ceiling Sams has is so much higher and he has at least 6 tos to prove him self.   The good thing is there will be plenty of possessions with not much on the line in the next few games

You can disagree all you want, I'm going off of what I see; right now this staff does not trust Daniel Sams to be their quarterback. I don't think we're in the same situation as Dunn/Roberson. Sams has been here 2 full seasons, 1 full season as a back up and clearly by his PT tonight he isn't even close to Waters in the minds of the coaching staff. He didn't get one snap in the 2nd half. Not one.

To me it goes back to recruiting, again its on the coaching staff. Either they misread his abilities, or had enough ego to think they would develop him to fit Snyder's system. Keep in mind, Sams was never a full time QB in high school. Even his senior year he split time between QB, RB, and WR. So the staff had to see a player they thought could become a full time QB and they simply never did enough to develop him.

At this point he's already on record as saying he would switch positions. If Waters is the guy, this absolutely needs to happen immediately. Sams as a 3rd receiver with Lockett and Thompson makes much more sense than Sams on the bench. As the QB, he should already know the reads and routes of our receivers, granted his technique would be lacking. However, at this point a transfer is probably just as likely.

Its a frustrating situation and every loss will only make it more so. And this position will continue to be magnified, but clearly there are numerous other holes on this team. Snyder did a great job rebuilding for the previous 2 years, but right now the immediate future and long term look pretty questionable, and not just at quarterback.

You say this but once again Snyder, in his post game press conference, whined about how Sams was used. It would suck but I would feel better about this situation and your take if he just came out and gave the job to Waters, he refuses to do so and its a huge issue.

yeah eff this. the more he bitches about not using Sams correctly the more pissed I get at him. THAT'S YOUR JOB TO FIX, DUMBASS! you don't get brownie points for constantly pointing out your stupid rough ridin' decisions...especially when continue to make them every. single. rough ridin'. game.

[bones129]

If Waters is the guy, then bill has wasted 4 games because he knew from day rough ridin' on that they wouldn't let sams throw.  It is just about the stupidest rough ridin' decision I have ever seen.  They let him throw last year against OSU in crucial rough ridin' moments. I don't have words for how irresponsible and rough ridin' stupid it is to not let sams throw. 

Yes, it was dumb, and Sams should've been moved to another position for the future, even if we had no back up options. Cross the bridge of what to do if Waters got hurt and address your poor QB recruiting depth then.

I agree that Sams should be a bigger part of the offense. If Bill insists that Jake is the QB, he needs to find a regular place for Sams...RB, WR. If Jake gets hurt, Sams becomes the QB. Simple as that, just as if Jake is the starting QB and Sams is the backup but riding the pine, and Jake gets hurt. Then Sams is the QB.

[michigancat]

You guys remember when Colin sat for a year behind Carson Coffman? He can be kind of a dumbass sometimes.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If I were going to move Sams to another position, I would move him to corner and hope that the other team thinks he is Roberts. I mean he has the same number and everything.

[Rams]

but hey, I thought waters played fairly well with the exception of the 37 fumbles and not having 2 functional legs to run on.

[kso_FAN]

You guys remember when Colin sat for a year behind Carson Coffman? He can be kind of a dumbass sometimes.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

Some of you dumbasses need to open your rough ridin' eyes and see that he is a god damn glorified running back playing quarterback without a solid lead blocker.  If he could pass worth a crap he would be. Snyder didn't become a racist over night bent on starting Waters because he hates Sams. Are you really that rough ridin' stupid? He isn't playing Sams because there is something fundamentally very wrong with his passing game.

[Rams]

If I were going to move Sams to another position, I would move him to corner and hope that the other team thinks he is Roberts. I mean he has the same number and everything.

THIS ISN'T rough ridin' FUNNY!

[Rage Against the McKee]

If I were going to move Sams to another position, I would move him to corner and hope that the other team thinks he is Roberts. I mean he has the same number and everything.

THIS ISN'T rough ridin' FUNNY!

I'm not laughing. Sams would be all Big 12 at CB.

[wetwillie]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

Some of you dumbasses need to open your rough ridin' eyes and see that he is a god damn glorified running back playing quarterback without a solid lead blocker.  If he could pass worth a crap he would be. Snyder didn't become a racist over night bent on starting Waters because he hates Sams. Are you really that rough ridin' stupid? He isn't playing Sams because there is something fundamentally very wrong with his passing game.

You are working on the assumption that Bill is of sound mind. He is not. 

[wetwillie]

If I were going to move Sams to another position, I would move him to corner and hope that the other team thinks he is Roberts. I mean he has the same number and everything.

THIS ISN'T rough ridin' FUNNY!

I'm not laughing. Sams would be all Big 12 at CB.

Easily the best athlete on the field tonight

[Rams]

If I were going to move Sams to another position, I would move him to corner and hope that the other team thinks he is Roberts. I mean he has the same number and everything.

THIS ISN'T rough ridin' FUNNY!

I'm not laughing. Sams would be all Big 12 at CB.

he's quite possibly the best athlete in this league. he'd be all big 12 at a lot of positions.

[MakeItRain]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

Some of you dumbasses need to open your rough ridin' eyes and see that he is a god damn glorified running back playing quarterback without a solid lead blocker.  If he could pass worth a crap he would be. Snyder didn't become a racist over night bent on starting Waters because he hates Sams. Are you really that rough ridin' stupid? He isn't playing Sams because there is something fundamentally very wrong with his passing game.

I'm going to give you a pass, you clearly were in a coma or had brain damage or something when Sams passed the ball without turning it over against the 2nd best team we beat last year.

Sorry for being mean, you clearly had/have severe medical issues.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

Some of you dumbasses need to open your rough ridin' eyes and see that he is a god damn glorified running back playing quarterback without a solid lead blocker.  If he could pass worth a crap he would be. Snyder didn't become a racist over night bent on starting Waters because he hates Sams. Are you really that rough ridin' stupid? He isn't playing Sams because there is something fundamentally very wrong with his passing game.

I'm going to give you a pass, you clearly were in a coma or had brain damage or something when Sams passed the ball without turning it over against the 2nd best team we beat last year.

Sorry for being mean, you clearly had/have severe medical issues.

dementia

[Ira Hayes]

You guys remember when Colin sat for a year behind Carson Coffman? He can be kind of a dumbass sometimes.

Why would you link to that?

This is the link:

[kso_FAN]

You guys remember when Colin sat for a year behind Carson Coffman? He can be kind of a dumbass sometimes.

Why would you link to that?

This is the link:

I meant to link that one and couldn't find it quickly.

[06wildcat]

_Fan, care to update thoughts after TT's postgame meltdown about SAMs?

[eastcat]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

Some of you dumbasses need to open your rough ridin' eyes and see that he is a god damn glorified running back playing quarterback without a solid lead blocker.  If he could pass worth a crap he would be. Snyder didn't become a racist over night bent on starting Waters because he hates Sams. Are you really that rough ridin' stupid? He isn't playing Sams because there is something fundamentally very wrong with his passing game.

I'm going to give you a pass, you clearly were in a coma or had brain damage or something when Sams passed the ball without turning it over against the 2nd best team we beat last year.

Sorry for being mean, you clearly had/have severe medical issues.

Are ou talking about when he threw into double coverage against OSU? That was rough ridin' dumb luck.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

Some of you dumbasses need to open your rough ridin' eyes and see that he is a god damn glorified running back playing quarterback without a solid lead blocker.  If he could pass worth a crap he would be. Snyder didn't become a racist over night bent on starting Waters because he hates Sams. Are you really that rough ridin' stupid? He isn't playing Sams because there is something fundamentally very wrong with his passing game.

I'm going to give you a pass, you clearly were in a coma or had brain damage or something when Sams passed the ball without turning it over against the 2nd best team we beat last year.

Sorry for being mean, you clearly had/have severe medical issues.

Lol what 3 or four dink and dunks against a crap D? Really? That's what you fall back on? Pathetic.

[kso_FAN]

_Fan, care to update thoughts after TT's postgame meltdown about SAMs?

We're all frustrated with losing.

And it doesn't make it any easier to understand.

And it could get ugly if the coaching staff doesn't get it figured out.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?

Some of you dumbasses need to open your rough ridin' eyes and see that he is a god damn glorified running back playing quarterback without a solid lead blocker.  If he could pass worth a crap he would be. Snyder didn't become a racist over night bent on starting Waters because he hates Sams. Are you really that rough ridin' stupid? He isn't playing Sams because there is something fundamentally very wrong with his passing game.

I'm going to give you a pass, you clearly were in a coma or had brain damage or something when Sams passed the ball without turning it over against the 2nd best team we beat last year.

Sorry for being mean, you clearly had/have severe medical issues.

Are ou talking about when he threw into double coverage against OSU? That was rough ridin' dumb luck.

Waters threw a ball into triple coverage in the first half of tonight's game and was lucky as hell that it wasnt picked off.