Conclusions

[catzacker]

If Waters is the guy, then bill has wasted 4 games because he knew from day rough ridin' on that they wouldn't let sams throw.  It is just about the stupidest rough ridin' decision I have ever seen.  They let him throw last year against OSU in crucial rough ridin' moments. I don't have words for how irresponsible and rough ridin' stupid it is to not let sams throw. 

[meow meow]

Either Snyder knows SAMs throwing is that bad or Snyder is just snydering about SAMs missing practice or whatever.  Either way after the spring game it makes no sense to not see what SAMs can do in a game when they actually let him throw

[KSNimrod]

I am as disappointed as I knew I would be before this game.  It would be worse but I'm restrained by realizing that Bill truly IS losing it.  Holy crap.  What a sad day for KSU football.  :-(

[Pett]

One corner in particular, but just a lack of play making in the front 7.

Roberts should be picked on every down

[wetwillie]

pete got me so excited, when Sams committed.  I remember it like yesterday.  I guess I shouldn't have become so attached.

[Harry Dunne]

 

[kso_FAN]

I completely disagree

there is no reason to not start Sams and see if we get down enough that we need Waters to throw to Lockett every down.  The way Waters stares him down I know Sams can make the same reads and I believe Sams has the arm to make the throws.

The next DC will of been on the job for more than 10 days and will have more than just man up and blitz on passing downs. 

The ceiling Sams has is so much higher and he has at least 6 tos to prove him self.   The good thing is there will be plenty of possessions with not much on the line in the next few games

You can disagree all you want, I'm going off of what I see; right now this staff does not trust Daniel Sams to be their quarterback. I don't think we're in the same situation as Dunn/Roberson. Sams has been here 2 full seasons, 1 full season as a back up and clearly by his PT tonight he isn't even close to Waters in the minds of the coaching staff. He didn't get one snap in the 2nd half. Not one.

To me it goes back to recruiting, again its on the coaching staff. Either they misread his abilities, or had enough ego to think they would develop him to fit Snyder's system. Keep in mind, Sams was never a full time QB in high school. Even his senior year he split time between QB, RB, and WR. So the staff had to see a player they thought could become a full time QB and they simply never did enough to develop him.

At this point he's already on record as saying he would switch positions. If Waters is the guy, this absolutely needs to happen immediately. Sams as a 3rd receiver with Lockett and Thompson makes much more sense than Sams on the bench. As the QB, he should already know the reads and routes of our receivers, granted his technique would be lacking. However, at this point a transfer is probably just as likely.

Its a frustrating situation and every loss will only make it more so. And this position will continue to be magnified, but clearly there are numerous other holes on this team. Snyder did a great job rebuilding for the previous 2 years, but right now the immediate future and long term look pretty questionable, and not just at quarterback.

[kso_FAN]

If Waters is the guy, then bill has wasted 4 games because he knew from day rough ridin' on that they wouldn't let sams throw.  It is just about the stupidest rough ridin' decision I have ever seen.  They let him throw last year against OSU in crucial rough ridin' moments. I don't have words for how irresponsible and rough ridin' stupid it is to not let sams throw. 

Yes, it was dumb, and Sams should've been moved to another position for the future, even if we had no back up options. Cross the bridge of what to do if Waters got hurt and address your poor QB recruiting depth then.

[MakeItRain]

Reed played well

Agree to disagree, he had one good play, we had no push at all and that's on him more than anyone else

[06wildcat]

_Fan, how big of an impact did Harper/Brown have on covering up this staff's terrible recruiting? Obviously they weren't coaching up anyone behind Brown and we don't have anyone that comes close to resembling a possession receiver.

[eastcat]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

[Skipper44]

Sams will get his start,  at some point Waters won't be able to turn turtle in time on a draw or option and it will be out of the coaching staff's hands. I would not be surprised if Phil Bennett did this program one more favor.

[MakeItRain]

I completely disagree

there is no reason to not start Sams and see if we get down enough that we need Waters to throw to Lockett every down.  The way Waters stares him down I know Sams can make the same reads and I believe Sams has the arm to make the throws.

The next DC will of been on the job for more than 10 days and will have more than just man up and blitz on passing downs. 

The ceiling Sams has is so much higher and he has at least 6 tos to prove him self.   The good thing is there will be plenty of possessions with not much on the line in the next few games

You can disagree all you want, I'm going off of what I see; right now this staff does not trust Daniel Sams to be their quarterback. I don't think we're in the same situation as Dunn/Roberson. Sams has been here 2 full seasons, 1 full season as a back up and clearly by his PT tonight he isn't even close to Waters in the minds of the coaching staff. He didn't get one snap in the 2nd half. Not one.

To me it goes back to recruiting, again its on the coaching staff. Either they misread his abilities, or had enough ego to think they would develop him to fit Snyder's system. Keep in mind, Sams was never a full time QB in high school. Even his senior year he split time between QB, RB, and WR. So the staff had to see a player they thought could become a full time QB and they simply never did enough to develop him.

At this point he's already on record as saying he would switch positions. If Waters is the guy, this absolutely needs to happen immediately. Sams as a 3rd receiver with Lockett and Thompson makes much more sense than Sams on the bench. As the QB, he should already know the reads and routes of our receivers, granted his technique would be lacking. However, at this point a transfer is probably just as likely.

Its a frustrating situation and every loss will only make it more so. And this position will continue to be magnified, but clearly there are numerous other holes on this team. Snyder did a great job rebuilding for the previous 2 years, but right now the immediate future and long term look pretty questionable, and not just at quarterback.

You say this but once again Snyder, in his post game press conference, whined about how Sams was used. It would suck but I would feel better about this situation and your take if he just came out and gave the job to Waters, he refuses to do so and its a huge issue.

[kso_FAN]

_Fan, how big of an impact did Harper/Brown have on covering up this staff's terrible recruiting? Obviously they weren't coaching up anyone behind Brown and we don't have anyone that comes close to resembling a possession receiver.

The combination of them and Klein's development was really big.

All of our receivers are tiny (another reason to move Sams to receiver if we aren't willing to play him at QB).

[MixBerryCrunch]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

[kso_FAN]

You say this but once again Snyder, in his post game press conference, whined about how Sams was used. It would suck but I would feel better about this situation and your take if he just came out and gave the job to Waters, he refuses to do so and its a huge issue.

Its extremely frustrating. But to me the actions of Snyder (or Dimel/Miller) are speaking much louder than whatever he is saying in post game press conferences about Sams. At some point the fact that the kid isn't playing says a lot to me.

[catzacker]

If Waters is the guy, then bill has wasted 4 games because he knew from day rough ridin' on that they wouldn't let sams throw.  It is just about the stupidest rough ridin' decision I have ever seen.  They let him throw last year against OSU in crucial rough ridin' moments. I don't have words for how irresponsible and rough ridin' stupid it is to not let sams throw. 

Yes, it was dumb, and Sams should've been moved to another position for the future, even if we had no back up options. Cross the bridge of what to do if Waters got hurt and address your poor QB recruiting depth then.

You know damn well sams won't be moved.  This is so rough ridin' stupid by bill.  We are mumped as a program because there is no rough ridin' way Ertzis anything more than Waters.  Sams HAS to be a QB.  And what Juco dual threat guy is going to come here for next year?  None.  So mumped as a program.

[Skipper44]

I think Snyder is more Paterno/Bowden than we think. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

So, basically, he was a lot like Waters as a true freshman?

[MadCat]

Sean should let SAMs play more.

[wetwillie]

I think Snyder is more Paterno/Bowden than we think. 

I hope the final end to his tenure here is as shameful and terrible as possible. 

[kso_FAN]

I think Snyder is more Paterno/Bowden than we think. 

I hope the final end to his tenure here is as shameful and terrible as possible. 

I don't. I just hope he realizes when its over and gets out. And doesn't insist his son be head coach.

[MakeItRain]

You say this but once again Snyder, in his post game press conference, whined about how Sams was used. It would suck but I would feel better about this situation and your take if he just came out and gave the job to Waters, he refuses to do so and its a huge issue.

Its extremely frustrating. But to me the actions of Snyder (or Dimel/Miller) are speaking much louder than whatever he is saying in post game press conferences about Sams. At some point the fact that the kid isn't playing says a lot to me.

Me too, I said last week there isn't a quarterback competition. It doesn't seem obvious to me that the coaches are as sure as you and I.

[kso_FAN]

You say this but once again Snyder, in his post game press conference, whined about how Sams was used. It would suck but I would feel better about this situation and your take if he just came out and gave the job to Waters, he refuses to do so and its a huge issue.

Its extremely frustrating. But to me the actions of Snyder (or Dimel/Miller) are speaking much louder than whatever he is saying in post game press conferences about Sams. At some point the fact that the kid isn't playing says a lot to me.

Me too, I said last week there isn't a quarterback competition. It doesn't seem obvious to me that the coaches are as sure as you and I.

Or Snyder is naive (or arrogant) enough to think if he keeps up some sort of competition facade that it will make some sort of difference in defenses preparing for us. Unfortunately I think he is naive enough for this to be true.

[MakeItRain]

Why don't they let Sams pass?  Is he really that horrible?

I love Dsams and his love for the team but I have heard that as a true freshman on the scout squad he would occasionally throw more interceptions than completed passes. He came from a highschool that didn't run set/refined plays on offense. Pretty much just line up and go.

This comes from a player that graduated in 2011.

Everyone on this board seems to think he is rough ridin' Brett Favre in the pocket.

No one has said crap about Sams is the pocket, you moron. No one wants him in the pocket, rough ridin' idiot. Can you stupid asses enlighten us to what the turnover count is this season, 2013 not 2011 during scout team play, between the two QBs?