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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #150 on: August 16, 2013, 01:05:13 PM »
I don't really know a ton about Crean, other than the fact that he looks like this guy all growed up:



What I do know is that his Marquette team made the Final Four (with D. Wade), and other than that the furthest he's made it in the tourney is back-to-back Sweet Sixteens these past two years. 
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« Reply #151 on: August 16, 2013, 01:27:28 PM »
Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships


My list would be:

1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Ford
4. Kruger
5. Smith
6. Hoiberg
7. Weber
8. Drew
9. Johnson
10. Barnes

Your list sucks brah.
Smith love is weird. Hasn't done anything in the last 6 years.


Big 12 hoops is weird.  There's just a huge gap between Self/KU and everyone else.  Barnes would have easily been #2 a few years ago, and now he's dogshit.  Smith is trending downward, and Hoiberg is trending upward, but at this point, Smith is the more accomplished coach.  Same thing goes for Huggins and Ford.

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #152 on: August 16, 2013, 01:30:03 PM »
if kstate had the choice of hiring smith or hoi, i'd hire hoi 10/10 times. that's the way i look at it. smith is basically weber at this point in time.

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« Reply #153 on: August 16, 2013, 03:42:20 PM »
Mixed-Nutz is a dumbass as per usual.  Crean is not way too low.  Those losery hick IU fans are already turning on him after the loss to SU and not having any 2014 'cruits inked (has had two state of Indiana studs decommit tho).  A good coach should be able to roll at IU; he hasn't done anything special there.
Won the big 10 last year, in the greatest year of modern day BIG 10 B-ball. Built up a program that was a dumpster fire.

Any coach that is worth a crap could "build up" IU.  That program is a rough ridin' juggernaut.  They let Knight quit recruiting for a decade plus before they canned him and then they hired a rough ridin' nobody in Davis and a cheater that was bad at cheating in Sampson.  They have shitty leadership.  If they had hired a top coach like a Thad Matta or a Sean Miller, let alone a Self or Calipari or Roy, instead of Crean then they would have been back in the tournament by year two, not a national rough ridin' embarrassment for three straight years.  Crean on his best rough ridin' day is pedestrian. 
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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #154 on: August 16, 2013, 06:52:36 PM »
I think IU was dead enough for the current generation of players to ignore it fairly easily.  Crean tore the program down and rebuilt it, bringing in some stud talent.  He will need deeper runs in the tournament before long, but I think he has done well so far.

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« Reply #155 on: August 16, 2013, 08:01:07 PM »
I think IU was dead enough for the current generation of players to ignore it fairly easily.  Crean tore the program down and rebuilt it, bringing in some stud talent.  He will need deeper runs in the tournament before long, but I think he has done well so far.

They never lost fan support.  They pack that shithole to the rafters every night out.  They have tremendous local talent and amazing tradition with great resources/facilities. 

Tore the program down?  What the eff does that even mean?  Are you suggesting he had to be terrible for three years?  If Thad Matta can walk into Ohio State on rough ridin' probation and turn it into a national power in less than three seasons then Crean sure as crap should have been able to do it at IU.  Matta won the rough ridin' conference year two and made the NC year three.  Crean was 10-21 and 12-20 in years 2 and 3.  There was no excuse for being that rough ridin' bad. 

This season will be his high water mark and he choked his dick off in the tournament.  Only 13 teams in NCAA history have had two top five picks on the court together and his team achieved the least amongst that group.  Two rough ridin' sweet sixteens.  Not to mention Zeller first and foremost committed to IU.  He wanted to bring it back.  He's an Indiana hick born and bred.  Oladipo was as DITRy as it gets.  Point being that caliber of player isn't likely to pop up again for Tan Tom.  He won't be selling anymore local McD's AA on redeeming the program, that has happened, and you don't find three star 'Dipos more than once or twice a career.  Word is the instate talent (and those that control access to it) is starting to sour on him.  He'll continue to recruit well, but he needs a sizable talent advantage to win big.                 

I hope they keep him for ten more years, because IU will never be what it should be with him there.  They should easily be right there with Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and UNC.  Luckily their administration has proven over and over again to be that rough ridin' stupid.       
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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #156 on: August 16, 2013, 08:05:05 PM »
It really comes down to the fact that he's just such a corny, derpy fuckface.  Decidedly not a stud.  It's the same way I felt about oscar when all the Illinois rough ridin' idiots were constantly apologizing for him.  I can't help but condemn the man.   
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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #157 on: August 16, 2013, 08:36:54 PM »
By tore the program down, I meant he ran off nearly every upperclassmen and committed to a few crap seasons while young players got a lot of experience.  Finding another Oladipo may never happen, but one of the reasons he became so good is because he had so much playing time to figure it out.  If he kept the previous players, I don't think he would've been as successful this last season.  I agree that he needs to go deeper though.

Not saying he is a great coach, but I think he is a pretty good coach.  Tournament success is missing and consistent tournament success is the sign of a great coach.

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #158 on: August 16, 2013, 09:11:37 PM »


Big 12 hoops is weird.  There's just a huge gap between Self/KU and everyone else.  Barnes would have easily been #2 a few years ago, and now he's dogshit. Smith is trending downward, and Hoiberg is trending upward, but at this point, Smith is the more accomplished coach.  Same thing goes for Huggins and Ford.

How in the eff can you consider Tubby ahead of Barnes?????  Tubby couldn't sustain at the greatest basketball program in the history of America.  Barnes has had a let down at a school that doesn't even give a crap about basketball, despite having taken them to the final four.

Christ.  Tubby has proven that he cannot get it done at two different schools in a row....both with vast resources.




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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #159 on: August 17, 2013, 08:34:45 AM »
if kstate had the choice of hiring smith or hoi, i'd hire hoi 10/10 times. that's the way i look at it. smith is basically weber at this point in time.

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #160 on: August 19, 2013, 03:45:34 PM »
Probably fits better in the twitter thread, but I can't post there or I'll lose my place wherever I left off in January.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-08-19/college-basketball-twitter-coach-rankings-big-12-2013-bob-huggins-bill-self

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #161 on: August 19, 2013, 03:50:38 PM »
Probably fits better in the twitter thread, but I can't post there or I'll lose my place wherever I left off in January.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-08-19/college-basketball-twitter-coach-rankings-big-12-2013-bob-huggins-bill-self

Saw that earlier.  Other coaches should be encouraged by this list if Frank is #5,or whatevs.  I know I would be.  It would be like getting hired at a new job and during the tour of the office they show you their best employee and he is some guy that has his shoes on the wrong feet and greets you right after just hanging up from him mom telling him to be sure to pick up milk on the way home tonight.

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #162 on: August 20, 2013, 08:27:38 AM »
Even Havs misses Frank.  :cry:

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« Reply #163 on: August 20, 2013, 09:21:19 AM »

My list would be:

1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Ford
4. Kruger
5. Smith
6. Hoiberg
7. Weber
8. Drew
9. Johnson
10. Barnes

1. Self
2. Hoiberg
3. Drew
4. Kruger
5. Ford
6. Barnes
7. Smith
8. Huggins
9. Weber
10. Johnson

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« Reply #164 on: August 20, 2013, 09:21:19 AM »
Probably fits better in the twitter thread, but I can't post there or I'll lose my place wherever I left off in January.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-08-19/college-basketball-twitter-coach-rankings-big-12-2013-bob-huggins-bill-self

Saw that earlier.  Other coaches should be encouraged by this list if Frank is #5,or whatevs.  I know I would be.  It would be like getting hired at a new job and during the tour of the office they show you their best employee and he is some guy that has his shoes on the wrong feet and greets you right after just hanging up from him mom telling him to be sure to pick up milk on the way home tonight.

:surprised:
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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #165 on: August 20, 2013, 09:28:19 AM »
Probably fits better in the twitter thread, but I can't post there or I'll lose my place wherever I left off in January.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-08-19/college-basketball-twitter-coach-rankings-big-12-2013-bob-huggins-bill-self

Saw that earlier.  Other coaches should be encouraged by this list if Frank is #5,or whatevs.  I know I would be.  It would be like getting hired at a new job and during the tour of the office they show you their best employee and he is some guy that has his shoes on the wrong feet and greets you right after just hanging up from him mom telling him to be sure to pick up milk on the way home tonight.

:surprised:

Oh man.  I didn't even click the link until just now.  Right before I saw this thread, I say Underwood and Frank giving each other crap on twitter and saw that Frank was #5 on the list they linked to each other on twitter.  I didn't look close enough to see it was a conference by conference list and just assumed it was a national list.

The good news is that we now know what metric Currie used.  They are both #5 in their conferences in twitter, Currie must of recognized this talent.

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #166 on: August 20, 2013, 09:31:25 AM »
Probably fits better in the twitter thread, but I can't post there or I'll lose my place wherever I left off in January.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-08-19/college-basketball-twitter-coach-rankings-big-12-2013-bob-huggins-bill-self

Saw that earlier.  Other coaches should be encouraged by this list if Frank is #5,or whatevs.  I know I would be.  It would be like getting hired at a new job and during the tour of the office they show you their best employee and he is some guy that has his shoes on the wrong feet and greets you right after just hanging up from him mom telling him to be sure to pick up milk on the way home tonight.

:surprised:

Oh man.  I didn't even click the link until just now.  Right before I saw this thread, I say Underwood and Frank giving each other crap on twitter and saw that Frank was #5 on the list they linked to each other on twitter.  I didn't look close enough to see it was a conference by conference list and just assumed it was a national list.

The good news is that we now know what metric Currie used.  They are both #5 in their conferences in twitter, Currie must of recognized this talent.

It was national.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-08-19/college-basketball-twitter-coach-rankings-top-10-john-calipari-social-media


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« Reply #167 on: August 20, 2013, 09:33:04 AM »
Welp.

Traded #5 nationally for #5 in conf.  Great job, Currie!   :shakesfist:

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« Reply #168 on: August 20, 2013, 09:56:48 AM »
Welp.

Traded #5 nationally for #5 in conf.  Great job, Currie!   :shakesfist:

do you agree that frank is the 5th best twitter coach nationally? 

use that cns brain surgeon brain of yours cns casey and then respond with an answer


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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #169 on: August 20, 2013, 10:09:55 AM »
Welp.

Traded #5 nationally for #5 in conf.  Great job, Currie!   :shakesfist:

do you agree that frank is the 5th best twitter coach nationally? 

use that cns brain surgeon brain of yours cns casey and then respond with an answer

Clams, come on.  U n I both kno that U can't b best @ twitter, if U aren't best @ ppl first

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #170 on: August 20, 2013, 11:27:40 AM »
Miles and McDermott.  :goodbyecruelworld:

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Re: :frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)
« Reply #171 on: August 20, 2013, 11:43:16 AM »
Welp.

Traded #5 nationally for #5 in conf.  Great job, Currie!   :shakesfist:

do you agree that frank is the 5th best twitter coach nationally? 

use that cns brain surgeon brain of yours cns casey and then respond with an answer

Clams, come on.  U n I both kno that U can't b best @ twitter, if U aren't best @ ppl first
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