:frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)

[Havs]

I like that we chose to compare the Big 10 and the Big 12 because that is the conference that oscar spent his formative big time coaching years at.

In my above rankings  I focused on Elite Eights because I feel like it gets you past the "lucky" stage. After that you are losing to a fantastic team.


There is mega coaching star power in our conference and many of the coaches are relatively new to their teams. Kruger, Tubby Smith, Hoiberg, Weber, Trent Johnson. The competition will likely get much better especially from Kruger this year. I doubt Huggins stays down for long either.

I doubt Texas stays down either (once they part with Barnes)

[Mixed-Nutz]

I did not count any statistics from coaching jobs at schools below NCAA Division I

Izzo      16 straight tournaments, 1 NCAA championship, 3 Final Fours, 7 conf. champs, 2 conf. tourney champs

Matta      11 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Final Four, 8 conference champs, 7 conf. tourney champs

Ryan      12 straight tournaments, 1 Elite Eight, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 3 conf. champs, 2 conf tourney champs

Beilein      8 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Elite Eight, 3 conference champs, 2 conf. tourneys

Crean      7 tournaments, 1 Final Four, 2 Sweet Sixteens,  2 conference championships

Painter      7 tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens, 2 conference championships, 1 conf. tourney champ

McCaffery   5 tournaments, 2 round of 32, 3 conference championships, 5 conf. tournament champs
   
Groce      3 tournaments, 1 sweet sixteen, 2 MAC conference tournament champs

Chambers   1 tournament, 1 conference tournament championship

Miles      (NDSU, ’01-’07, whoop whoop) 1 tourney appearance

Pitino      nothing

Collins      nothing

This system is stupid, rewards longer tenured head coaches and doesn't differentiate from different schools. Crean is way to low, McCaffery is way to high.

[Skipper44]

I  would like to see the year of each coach's most recent FF  appearance - I  may do it it tomorrow if no one does it off the top of their head first

[OKclone]

Big 10 sucks at basketball and always will.

[bones129]

Big 10 sucks at basketball and always will.

Fact. Individual schools can excel, i.e., many of Coach Knight's Indiana squads, etc. As a conference? Not so much.

[slimz]

Big 10 sucks at basketball and always will.

Fact. Individual schools can excel, i.e., many of Coach Knight's Indiana squads, etc. As a conference? Not so much.

Big 10 was fantastic at basketball last year. Clear #2 behind the Big East for best bball conference in the country.

[Mr Bread]

Mixed-Nutz is a dumbass as per usual.  Crean is not way too low.  Those losery hick IU fans are already turning on him after the loss to SU and not having any 2014 'cruits inked (has had two state of Indiana studs decommit tho).  A good coach should be able to roll at IU; he hasn't done anything special there.   

[pissclams]

+ his haircut

[CNS]

Crean did an amazing job coaching that no talent group as far as he did.  Can you imagine any other coach taking a team that far with the absolute crap core of players he had in Zeller, Olidipo, and Sheehe(sp)?

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[Havs]

As much as I hate the Big Ten, its pretty ignorant to say the Big Ten sucks at basketball overall.

Statements like: "The Big Ten sucks at making basketball fun and entertaining," would be more accurate.

[scottwildcat]

As much as I hate the Big Ten,

stfu, you have such a Big Ten boner it isn't even funny Havs.

[Spracne]

I did not count any statistics from coaching jobs at schools below NCAA Division I

Izzo      16 straight tournaments, 1 NCAA championship, 3 Final Fours, 7 conf. champs, 2 conf. tourney champs

Matta      11 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Final Four, 8 conference champs, 7 conf. tourney champs

Ryan      12 straight tournaments, 1 Elite Eight, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 3 conf. champs, 2 conf tourney champs

Beilein      8 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Elite Eight, 3 conference champs, 2 conf. tourneys

Crean      7 tournaments, 1 Final Four, 2 Sweet Sixteens,  2 conference championships

Painter      7 tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens, 2 conference championships, 1 conf. tourney champ

McCaffery   5 tournaments, 2 round of 32, 3 conference championships, 5 conf. tournament champs
   
Groce      3 tournaments, 1 sweet sixteen, 2 MAC conference tournament champs

Chambers   1 tournament, 1 conference tournament championship

Miles      (NDSU, ’01-’07, whoop whoop) 1 tourney appearance

Pitino      nothing

Collins      nothing

This system is stupid, rewards longer tenured head coaches and doesn't differentiate from different schools. Crean is way to low, McCaffery is way to high.

I think you're expecting too much out of this exercise.  We are simply taking a snapshot of each coach's resume.  Just like in life, the longer tenured professionals tend to have more gold stars on their resume.  The point of this exercise wasn't really to argue over who the best coaches were, but rather to get a sense of the relative strength of the coaches in each conference.  The fact that we chose to order them in a rough approximation according to the listed accomplishments is more of an afterthought, and I certainly am not married to the exact order that I laid out.  However, I do disagree that Crean is way too low. 

[Mr Bread]

As much as I hate the Big Ten, its pretty ignorant to say the Big Ten sucks at basketball overall.

Statements like: "The Big Ten sucks at making basketball fun and entertaining," would be more accurate.

oscar and Tubby contributed to that crap show as did Lon before them.  oscar in particular.  A 38-33 home loss to Penn State comes to mind.  Is the Big 12 safe?    Stay tuned Havs.  The Fighting Hois can only do so much. 

[CNS]

38-33 should have resulted in both coaches being banned from coaching Division 1 NCAA basketball.  the NCAA could implement the ban and justify it as protecting their brand and the entertainment value of the sport.

Jesus.

Bo Ryan wants to know what the eff happened.

[Mr Bread]

38-33 should have resulted in both coaches being banned from coaching Division 1 NCAA basketball.  the NCAA could implement the ban and justify it as protecting their brand and the entertainment value of the sport.

Jesus.

Bo Ryan wants to know what the eff happened.

We got a lot of run on Sportscenter for that; "highlights" and all.  Set the game back 100 years hur hur hur type stuff. 

[OregonSmock]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

My list would be:

1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Ford
4. Kruger
5. Smith
6. Hoiberg
7. Weber
8. Drew
9. Johnson
10. Barnes

[CNS]

Ford at #3     

[Mr Bread]

If you're ranking them going forward, no way in hell Huggins is that high.  Holy crap is he on the way down.  He's as likely to die as make the NCAAs again. 

[CNS]

If you're ranking them going forward, no way in hell Huggins is that high.  Holy crap is he on the way down.  He's as likely to die as make the NCAAs again.

Dumbass should have stayed at KSU with the wonderful amt of cheating he did and could have kept doing and how accepted it was. 

[Mr Bread]

If you're ranking them going forward, no way in hell Huggins is that high.  Holy crap is he on the way down.  He's as likely to die as make the NCAAs again.

Dumbass should have stayed at KSU with the wonderful amt of cheating he did and could have kept doing and how accepted it was.

Yeah, he definitely needs to be ponying up nowadays.  Who would sign on to play for that once they get a good look at it?  Somebody that got paid a lot that's who. 

[CNS]

If you're ranking them going forward, no way in hell Huggins is that high.  Holy crap is he on the way down.  He's as likely to die as make the NCAAs again.

Dumbass should have stayed at KSU with the wonderful amt of cheating he did and could have kept doing and how accepted it was.

Yeah, he definitely needs to be ponying up nowadays.  Who would sign on to play for that once they get a good look at it?  Somebody that got paid a lot that's who.

This is the method of recruiting I wish we would really ramp up.

[OKclone]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

My list would be:

1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Ford
4. Kruger
5. Smith
6. Hoiberg
7. Weber
8. Drew
9. Johnson
10. Barnes

Your list sucks brah.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

My list would be:

1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Ford
4. Kruger
5. Smith
6. Hoiberg
7. Weber
8. Drew
9. Johnson
10. Barnes

Your list sucks brah.

Smith love is weird. Hasn't done anything in the last 6 years.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Mixed-Nutz is a dumbass as per usual.  Crean is not way too low.  Those losery hick IU fans are already turning on him after the loss to SU and not having any 2014 'cruits inked (has had two state of Indiana studs decommit tho).  A good coach should be able to roll at IU; he hasn't done anything special there.

Won the big 10 last year, in the greatest year of modern day BIG 10 B-ball. Built up a program that was a dumpster fire.

[CNS]

Really interested to see what he does this year without Zeller and Olidipo(SP?)