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London, probably the best city that's not New York. (Never been, though, so it might be better!)

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London, probably the best city that's not New York. (Never been, though, so it might be better!)

Or Paris

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cost of living, small weird homes/stuff, racists, annoyingness of different cultures/institutions.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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London, probably the best city that's not New York. (Never been, though, so it might be better!)

It is very good and probably the #1 on my if I had to live in Europe places.  I could probably not do it or Scandanavia though because of the weather which I left off my critique.

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I am going to limit it to the countries I have been to (Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, England, Ireland, Germany, Austria) as those are the only fair choices I can make.

I would pick the UK.

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cost of living, small weird homes/stuff, racists, annoyingness of different cultures/institutions.

oh bullshit.  Please google for like 30 seconds and try and find a counter example.

http://www.realtor.com/international/search-listing/La-Atalaya_SP_CSP002642i0

As far as racists, you are clearly wrong unless you are talking about the scandanavians and I've already ruled them out because of weather.  Nearly all of the places on your list are in my experience more racist than the U.S. (outside of the South).

The annoyingness of cultures:  I get butthurt just thinking about living in a nominal monarchy, I don't put all that on them.

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cost of living, small weird homes/stuff, racists, annoyingness of different cultures/institutions.

oh bullshit.  Please google for like 30 seconds and try and find a counter example.

http://www.realtor.com/international/search-listing/La-Atalaya_SP_CSP002642i0

As far as racists, you are clearly wrong unless you are talking about the scandanavians and I've already ruled them out because of weather.  Nearly all of the places on your list are in my experience more racist than the U.S. (outside of the South).

The annoyingness of cultures:  I get butthurt just thinking about living in a nominal monarchy, I don't put all that on them.

my connection is crap, so i'm not going to spend 30 minutes trying to google random houses.  you can look for yourself if you like.  for the most part anything in spain that you see listed in english is overpriced, but you also have to be realistic.  you aren't going to find something cheap in a historic city center (although if you actually want to live in a condo on a golf course, buying in the iberian peninsula might be perfect for you right now).  one-off examples either way is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) way of comparing prices anyways.

http://www.encuentra24.com/espana-es/bienes-raices-venta-de-propiedades

as i'm sure you know, real estate prices vary a ton by region and city anyways, trying to compare the us to europe as entire entities is just ridiculous.  there are places in each of those areas where you wouldn't be able to find anything you'd consider living in, and other areas where you can find something very reasonable.

but also, let's not pretend real estate is the same thing as cost of living.  my wife and i lived in granada on about 1k euro/month with no problems and no sense of privation.


define racism.  europeans are way less obsessed with black/white.  they tend to have far stronger regional and national (ethnic nationality, not patriotism) identities.  that's not the same thing as us style racism.  if i have to choose between the two, i far prefer the euro version.

you live in a country where the two political parties that control access to power will likely include the wife of a former president and a guy whose father and brother have held that office as presidential candidates in the next election.  and you want to throw stones at ceremonial monarchs?



it's also weird that you'd consider mexico as your first choice but turn your nose up at all of europe.  i'm not going to pretend that living in mexico is more similar to living in europe than to living in the us, because it isn't.  but in some of the things you mentioned (weird annoying bureaucracies, institutions, "racism", etc.), mexico is more like europe than like the us.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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this is prolly a better place to look for spanish real estate than the other i linked, if you are so inclined.

http://www.idealista.com/
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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I agree about cost of living not being the same as housing, I should've just said cost of housing.  A lot of this is just inherent to living in a more densely populated region. 

As far as racism goes, you are just wrong.  There is no modern U.S. equivalents to the kind of crap that is going on in Italy right now with regards to how people are treating their immigration minister.  You could argue that people in the U.S. are just as likely to believe or say racist things on twitter, but the lack of social norms about public displays of racism in nearly every Euopean country in at least one major social context (sports, politics or both) is wholly different from the way unrepentant racists are treated in the US. 

Mexico has a very weak central government so it isn't really the same in the way that I meant.  It is more disturbing and scary in a lot of ways that Europe isn't for that reason, but it is also relatively easy to circumvent most of that.

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turkey
Where did you get that overnight bag?

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watch out saul, there are a lot of muslims there.

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Great goEMAW battle here. Studs facing off on things. ok. ok. here we go.

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Where did you get that overnight bag?

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Europeans are pretty racist against Muslims, it seems.

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turkey

great european country.  good choice, saul.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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turkey!  :D croatia and hungary too you guys? so hot right now!

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Needs:

Free country (no commies)
Seasons (no all summer/winter type places)
1st world (running water etc)
Affordability! (Affordable)

Which country fits best?

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Also not war torn preferably.

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Needs:

Free country (no commies)
Seasons (no all summer/winter type places)
1st world (running water etc)
Affordability! (Affordable)

Which country fits best?

the kansas part of the UK

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Maybe whatever's next over from Hawaii, or Hawaii if it doesn't get wiped off the map with the rest of the physical U.S.

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Needs:

Free country (no commies)
Seasons (no all summer/winter type places)
1st world (running water etc)
Affordability! (Affordable)

Which country fits best?

the kansas part of the UK

wanna come over to my huge British mansion for some beers when we all move there?

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Free country (no commies)
Seasons (no all summer/winter type places)
1st world (running water etc)
Affordability! (Affordable)

Which country fits best?

the kansas part of the UK

wanna come over to my huge British mansion for some beers when we all move there?

yes, absolutely

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As far as racism goes, you are just wrong.  There is no modern U.S. equivalents to the kind of crap that is going on in Italy right now with regards to how people are treating their immigration minister.  You could argue that people in the U.S. are just as likely to believe or say racist things on twitter, but the lack of social norms about public displays of racism in nearly every Euopean country in at least one major social context (sports, politics or both) is wholly different from the way unrepentant racists are treated in the US.

bullshit.  a)  italy is on an island in terms of unrepentantism re. public racism (although, it's still entirely unfair to paint the northern wackos as representative of the country as a whole).  there is no other (western) euro country that is similar.  b)  part of what you perceive is through the prism of your own us centric perception of racism, europeans don't have the history of subjugating a specific skin-color defined class of people within their own country, so they understandably lack the petrifying fear of being considered racist.  c)  those same northern wackos are as likely to call a sicilian a monkey as an african.  in southern spain, i heard considerably more negative commentary about the "northern barbarians" and the roma than about asian or african immigrants.  to jump on anti-immigrant sentiment and/or ethnic/cultural chauvinism and consider it to be comparable with us style racism is wrong and ignorant.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Needs:

Free country (no commies)
Seasons (no all summer/winter type places)
1st world (running water etc)
Affordability! (Affordable)

Which country fits best?

the kansas part of the UK

wanna come over to my huge British mansion for some beers when we all move there?

yes, absolutely

cool. code on the gate is 84 75. park under the car port if you like.