big 12 media days

[Katpappy]

It seems that we are prepared to let then entire model of amateur athletics be destroyed. 

All in the name of compensating a handful of individuals in revenue generating sports.

we live in a time of great greed

You must be talking about the overpaid coaches.  That'S what ruined it for college sports.

THINK ABOUT THAT, BEFORE YOU BLAME STUDENT ATHLETES.

[steve dave]

 

[Katpappy]

Whelp, at least they can have 3 squares a day; that is, if it doesn't bankrupt the schools. 

[kslim]

i feel bad for charlie, listening to his interviews you can barely hear him because he is so fat and wheezy. the man needs help

[kslim]

BITB time guys 

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Yes, this is simply acknowledging and adapting to changes that occurred over a period of many years.  In a way it's similar to how the Olympic Games was purely amateur in the 1950s and then by the 1990s it was fully professional.  (Remember the "Dream Team"!)  Except that the Olympics isn't the one that pays the athletes, while the new collegiate model will involve the athletes being paid by the schools.

But it's maybe not great news for KSU athletics.  We already offer the least sports of any school in the Big 12, and so operate a leaner business than most others.  Like, we can't eliminate men's tennis as a budget item in order to pay our offensive linemen, since we already cut men's tennis in the 1970s.

I know I'm painfully old-fashioned, but I don't like it.

[kslim]

KK- "ive been saying for years its time to cheat in the big 12, YEARS!"



     

[Katpappy]

Yes, this is simply acknowledging and adapting to changes that occurred over a period of many years.  In a way it's similar to how the Olympic Games was purely amateur in the 1950s and then by the 1990s it was fully professional.  (Remember the "Dream Team"!)  Except that the Olympics isn't the one that pays the athletes, while the new collegiate model will involve the athletes being paid by the schools.

But it's maybe not great news for KSU athletics.  We already offer the least sports of any school in the Big 12, and so operate a leaner business than most others.  Like, we can't eliminate men's tennis as a budget item in order to pay our offensive linemen, since we already cut men's tennis in the 1970s.

I know I'm painfully old-fashioned, but I don't like it.

Good thing we found 135 mil to fund the BSFS.

[Panjandrum]

Yes, this is simply acknowledging and adapting to changes that occurred over a period of many years.  In a way it's similar to how the Olympic Games was purely amateur in the 1950s and then by the 1990s it was fully professional.  (Remember the "Dream Team"!)  Except that the Olympics isn't the one that pays the athletes, while the new collegiate model will involve the athletes being paid by the schools.

But it's maybe not great news for KSU athletics.  We already offer the least sports of any school in the Big 12, and so operate a leaner business than most others.  Like, we can't eliminate men's tennis as a budget item in order to pay our offensive linemen, since we already cut men's tennis in the 1970s.

I know I'm painfully old-fashioned, but I don't like it.

I don't think that comment was directed at us.  It's at those schools carrying a full range of non-revenue sports.

I think Bob is saying that we're going to see a drop to something more like what we have.

[pissclams]

Yes, this is simply acknowledging and adapting to changes that occurred over a period of many years.  In a way it's similar to how the Olympic Games was purely amateur in the 1950s and then by the 1990s it was fully professional.  (Remember the "Dream Team"!)  Except that the Olympics isn't the one that pays the athletes, while the new collegiate model will involve the athletes being paid by the schools.

But it's maybe not great news for KSU athletics.  We already offer the least sports of any school in the Big 12, and so operate a leaner business than most others.  Like, we can't eliminate men's tennis as a budget item in order to pay our offensive linemen, since we already cut men's tennis in the 1970s.

I know I'm painfully old-fashioned, but I don't like it.

I don't think that comment was directed at us.  It's at those schools carrying a full range of non-revenue sports.

I think Bob is saying that we're going to see a drop to something more like what we have.

you missed his point. when other schools cut programs, they free up cash which is used to help subsidize the new model,  k-state isn't going to experience a similar windfall.

[HerrSonntag]

What if Bob's argument were applied to like, any real job? "Why should we give the Engineers a raise but not the basket weavers?  Just because there are fervent fans of iPhones and Televisions who are willing to pay for them, do they really work any harder than the people weaving baskets on the side of the road?"

[Rage Against the McKee]

What if Bob's argument were applied to like, any real job? "Why should we give the Engineers a raise but not the basket weavers?  Just because there are fervent fans of iPhones and Televisions who are willing to pay for them, do they really work any harder than the people weaving baskets on the side of the road?"

It's sort of different, though, because college football is not a real job, and the free market has already demonstrated that the top athletes in America are willing to participate for a full ride.

[HerrSonntag]

What if Bob's argument were applied to like, any real job? "Why should we give the Engineers a raise but not the basket weavers?  Just because there are fervent fans of iPhones and Televisions who are willing to pay for them, do they really work any harder than the people weaving baskets on the side of the road?"

It's sort of different, though, because college football is not a real job, and the free market has already demonstrated that the top athletes in America are willing to participate for a full ride.

The collusive rules preventing persons going from HS directly to the pros are very un-free market.   You can either make young people participate in college athletics or make them play for free, not both.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What if Bob's argument were applied to like, any real job? "Why should we give the Engineers a raise but not the basket weavers?  Just because there are fervent fans of iPhones and Televisions who are willing to pay for them, do they really work any harder than the people weaving baskets on the side of the road?"

It's sort of different, though, because college football is not a real job, and the free market has already demonstrated that the top athletes in America are willing to participate for a full ride.

The collusive rules preventing persons going from HS directly to the pros are very un-free market.   You can either make young people participate in college athletics or make them play for free, not both.

Nobody is making them do anything.

[HerrSonntag]

What if Bob's argument were applied to like, any real job? "Why should we give the Engineers a raise but not the basket weavers?  Just because there are fervent fans of iPhones and Televisions who are willing to pay for them, do they really work any harder than the people weaving baskets on the side of the road?"

It's sort of different, though, because college football is not a real job, and the free market has already demonstrated that the top athletes in America are willing to participate for a full ride.

The collusive rules preventing persons going from HS directly to the pros are very un-free market.   You can either make young people participate in college athletics or make them play for free, not both.

Nobody is making them do anything.

I disagree.

[Belvis Noland]

Nobody is making them do anything.

I love this logic.  i.e. Student Athletes shouldn't gripe about the system, because they're making a voluntary choice.  Nobody is forcing them to play college football. 

Welp, guess I can't complain about my tax rate or my cable bill.  After all, nobody is forcing me earn income or watch tv. 

I mean, obviously, I'm wealthy beyond belief  but you know what I mean. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Nobody is making them do anything.

I love this logic.  i.e. Student Athletes shouldn't gripe about the system, because they're making a voluntary choice.  Nobody is forcing them to play college football. 

Welp, guess I can't complain about my tax rate or my cable bill.  After all, nobody is forcing me earn income or watch tv. 

I mean, obviously, I'm wealthy beyond belief  but you know what I mean.

No, you really shouldn't gripe about paying taxes or paying for cable tv. I mean good god, if you don't have enough money, go make more, and if you want tv, it costs money.

[Belvis Noland]

No, you really shouldn't gripe about paying taxes or paying for cable tv. I mean good god, if you don't have enough money, go make more, and if you want tv, it costs money.

not quite my point, but you understood my point anyway.  no biggie. 

pretty simple, people are justified in complaining about many things in life, even in areas where participation is voluntary. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

No, you really shouldn't gripe about paying taxes or paying for cable tv. I mean good god, if you don't have enough money, go make more, and if you want tv, it costs money.

not quite my point, but you understood my point anyway.  no biggie. 

pretty simple, people are justified in complaining about many things in life, even in areas where participation is voluntary.

Well, sure, you can complain about anything, I guess. You aren't justified in complaining about paying for tv and NCAA athletes aren't justified in complaining about not getting paid for playing football in a league that they knew was for amateur athletes. There are semi-pro leagues that they can try out for if they want to get paid. There is also the CFL.

[KITNfury]

What if Bob's argument were applied to like, any real job? "Why should we give the Engineers a raise but not the basket weavers?  Just because there are fervent fans of iPhones and Televisions who are willing to pay for them, do they really work any harder than the people weaving baskets on the side of the road?"

It's sort of different, though, because college football is not a real job, and the free market has already demonstrated that the top athletes in America are willing to participate for a full ride.

The collusive rules preventing persons going from HS directly to the pros are very un-free market.   You can either make young people participate in college athletics or make them play for free, not both.

You could make such that a HS grad could go directly to pro and nothing changes, they all would still go to college.

[Belvis Noland]

Well, sure, you can complain about anything, I guess. You aren't justified in complaining about paying for tv and NCAA athletes aren't justified in complaining about not getting paid for playing football in a league that they knew was for amateur athletes. There are semi-pro leagues that they can try out for if they want to get paid. There is also the CFL.

I don't complain about having to pay for TV.  I complain about having to pay an outrageous price for the shitty product/service of Time Warner Cable.  But, in this free market TV market, the only other option I have is U-Verse because Google fiber isn't in my neighborhood yet.  Of course, when they are in my neighborhood, I'll bet you TWC's price and product/service will be much more competitive. 

IMO, I am justified in complaining about TWC, even though I am voluntarily choosing to purchase cable/internet. 

In the U.S., there is only one path to the NFL - college football.  Yes, that path is voluntary.  but, if the path is littered with crap, I see no issue in the traveler complaining.       

[Rage Against the McKee]

Well, sure, you can complain about anything, I guess. You aren't justified in complaining about paying for tv and NCAA athletes aren't justified in complaining about not getting paid for playing football in a league that they knew was for amateur athletes. There are semi-pro leagues that they can try out for if they want to get paid. There is also the CFL.

I don't complain about having to pay for TV.  I complain about having to pay an outrageous price for the shitty product/service of Time Warner Cable.  But, in this free market TV market, the only other option I have is U-Verse because Google fiber isn't in my neighborhood yet.  Of course, when they are in my neighborhood, I'll bet you TWC's price and product/service will be much more competitive. 

IMO, I am justified in complaining about TWC, even though I am voluntarily choosing to purchase cable/internet. 

In the U.S., there is only one path to the NFL - college football.  Yes, that path is voluntary.  but, if the path is littered with crap, I see no issue in the traveler complaining.       

Nothing is stopping the NFL from drafting players outside of college football. Bryce Brown did nothing in college ball. He could have gone to the CFL for 2 years and still been drafted. He probably would have gone higher because there wouldn't have been concerns over character issues.

[TheHamburglar]

Nothing is stopping the NFL from drafting players outside of college football. Bryce Brown did nothing in college ball. He could have gone to the CFL for 2 years and still been drafted. He probably would have gone higher because there wouldn't have been concerns over character issues.

Non Canadians aren't eligible for the CFL until 4 years after high school. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Nothing is stopping the NFL from drafting players outside of college football. Bryce Brown did nothing in college ball. He could have gone to the CFL for 2 years and still been drafted. He probably would have gone higher because there wouldn't have been concerns over character issues.

Non Canadians aren't eligible for the CFL until 4 years after high school.

Really? Well, I bet he could have played pro ball for that team in Salina, anyway.

[LickNeckey]

Nothing is stopping the NFL from drafting players outside of college football. Bryce Brown did nothing in college ball. He could have gone to the CFL for 2 years and still been drafted. He probably would have gone higher because there wouldn't have been concerns over character issues.

Non Canadians aren't eligible for the CFL until 4 years after high school.

Really? Well, I bet he could have played pro ball for that team in Salina, anyway.

I would like to see a link to the CFL age limit.  I know it was part of the Bryce Brown recruitment saga.  http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/bryce-brown-to-the-cfl/