Stand Your Ground Laws

[michigancat]

If you take your gun with you to Target you're always looking for a fight.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about a guy who picked a fight with a cop, beat his ex-girlfriend, goes to an MMA gym, and carries his gun with him everywhere he goes.

[Dugout DickStone]

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about a guy who picked a fight with a cop, beat his ex-girlfriend, goes to an MMA gym, and carries his gun with him everywhere he goes.

then disregarded a 911 operator's admonition and stalked a kid with his loaded pistol

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of a family of four -- two parents and two children -- trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. at approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

It's the first known sighting of Zimmerman since he left the courtroom following his acquittal last week on murder charges for the death of Martin. Zimmerman, 29, shot and killed Martin, 17, in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012. The jury determined that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense.

Killing drug-addled punks, now rescuing people from overturned SUVs - GZ [he killed a kid] is like a fat Batman. He's Fatman. An effing hero.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about a guy who picked a fight with a cop, beat his ex-girlfriend, goes to an MMA gym, and carries his gun with him everywhere he goes.

Sounds like it was their destiny to meet.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Well color me surprised, the reverse-racist, gunophobic, police state retards want to make up the law and apply it based on their  own interpretation of the facts, conjecture and "it would have never happened if" speculation. How very police state-y of them.

Faced with an acquittal on all counts theyre still blithering about how the guy who was operating within the bounds of the law was at fault for the death of the guy who was operating outside the bounds of the law.  Why? Because the guy they want to win was black, and the guy they want to lose had a gun.  The wannabe street thug innocent; the wannabe cop deserves guilty.   These people are pathetic, foolish and lack the capacity to understand how stupid and unworkable their idea of society is.  We can only hope one or more of them chooses to accost a gun carrying, law abiding citizen in the very near future.

Even the most sophomoric understanding of the law leads one to the correct conclusion here.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

If you take your gun with you to Target you're always looking for a fight.

If you wear sunglasses into to Target its cuz you're wantin to scope out the yummi mummies incognito.

[michigancat]

If you take your gun with you to Target you're always looking for a fight.

If you wear sunglasses into to Target its cuz you're wantin to scope out the yummi mummies incognito.

Also a fair generalization.

[kim carnes]

One thing is for certain, this whole incident has been embarrassing for both liberals and conservatives.  Both sides have shown they're incapable of rational thought.  On the other hand, true moderates like myself have shined. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Well color me surprised, the reverse-racist, gunophobic, police state retards want to make up the law and apply it based on their  own interpretation of the facts, conjecture and "it would have never happened if" speculation. How very police state-y of them.

Faced with an acquittal on all counts theyre still blithering about how the guy who was operating within the bounds of the law was at fault for the death of the guy who was operating outside the bounds of the law.  Why? Because the guy they want to win was black, and the guy they want to lose had a gun.  The wannabe street thug innocent; the wannabe cop deserves guilty.   These people are pathetic, foolish and lack the capacity to understand how stupid and unworkable their idea of society is.  We can only hope one or more of them chooses to accost a gun carrying, law abiding citizen in the very near future.

Even the most sophomoric understanding of the law leads one to the correct conclusion here.

Guys - can we please keep this thread on the topic of how GZ is a national hero? I'm thinking key to the city at least, and maybe a call from President Obama too? The guy didn't even take credit for rescuing a family of four from an overturned burning SUV! This happened last Wednesday, for eff's sake, and he just coolly gets out of his truck with a fire extinguisher (who carries a fire extinguisher around?! GZ, that's who), pulls the family free, gives his name to the responding deputy, and heads back home. Talk about an inspiring role model.

Also, I think the 25 or so states that don't have SYG laws ought to seriously consider them. True, they didn't help GZ, but they might help other Good Zamaritans (GZs). 

[Cire]

Zamaritans

lol

[kim carnes]

K-S-Uwildcats is the new OKcat.  Congrats on making jokes about dead people.

[Cire]

I think it should be Zimmaratans

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

One thing is for certain, this whole incident has been embarrassing for both liberals and conservatives.  Both sides have shown they're incapable of rational thought.  On the other hand, true moderates like myself have shined.

Yup, as the resident moderate of the pit, I just present the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

[kim carnes]

One thing is for certain, this whole incident has been embarrassing for both liberals and conservatives.  Both sides have shown they're incapable of rational thought.  On the other hand, true moderates like myself have shined.

Yup, as the resident moderate of the pit, I just present the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

Jeffy is more of a moderate than you are

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

SYG continues to wreak havoc. http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/24/4364394/wayward-skydiver-kicks-shortstop.html

It was a most unusual error on a baseball field.

A skydiver parachuting in before a summer league game accidentally kicked shortstop Mattingly Romanin in the face, knocking him to the ground and, as it turns out, ending his season.

...

Mangler and Smith jumped out of the way, but Romanin stood his ground - he said members of the skydiving crew told players to stand still because the divers would miss them.

[star seed 7]

What do you guys think of this?

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1405965#ixzz2ZyXQssSt

[Rage Against the McKee]

What do you guys think of this?

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1405965#ixzz2ZyXQssSt

I think it is most likely self defense, but it's hard to tell at this point.

[Unruly]

What do you guys think of this?

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1405965#ixzz2ZyXQssSt

That people in Texas need to learn how to rough ridin' speak properly.

[star seed 7]

What do you guys think of this?

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1405965#ixzz2ZyXQssSt

I think it is most likely self defense, but it's hard to tell at this point.

So you think stand your ground is ok?

[Rage Against the McKee]

What do you guys think of this?

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1405965#ixzz2ZyXQssSt

I think it is most likely self defense, but it's hard to tell at this point.

So you think stand your ground is ok?

I would say this is self defense in the absence of the SYG law. I think the SYG law blows. Like I said, though, I would need more details to know for sure. It is very suspicious that she had time to get into her trunk to retrieve a shotgun but did not have time to get in her car and just drive away. I will give her the benefit of the doubt and assume the car was fueling or something.

[star seed 7]

This is self defense specifically because of no retreat laws.

[Rage Against the McKee]

This is self defense specifically because of no retreat laws.

That is not accurate at all. The no retreat laws only make it so that by the letter of the law, this is self defense regardless of if we find out later that the guy was just asking for directions or something, and that she could have easily avoided the situation by just getting in her car and driving off.

Before SYG became the law of the land, the Kansas law read:

A person is justified in the use of force against an agressor when and to the extent it appears to him and he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such agressor's imminent use of unlawful force.

There is nothing in there about a duty to retreat. It just allows for common sense to prevail in the courtroom, and if the man was truly threatening the woman, she repeatedly asked him to leave her alone, he was holding a knife, and she pulled out the gun and aimed it at the ground warning him to go away and he came after her anyway, there is no way that a jury should convict her of murder, even without SYG laws.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

One thing is for certain, this whole incident has been embarrassing for both liberals and conservatives.  Both sides have shown they're incapable of rational thought.  On the other hand, true moderates like myself have shined.

Yup, as the resident moderate of the pit, I just present the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

Jeffy is more of a moderate than you are

I use paper money and credit cards, so no.

[star seed 7]

One thing is for certain, this whole incident has been embarrassing for both liberals and conservatives.  Both sides have shown they're incapable of rational thought.  On the other hand, true moderates like myself have shined.

Yup, as the resident moderate of the pit, I just present the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

Jeffy is more of a moderate than you are

I use paper money and credit cards, so no.