Russian troops to provide security at mass US events.

[michigancat]

Considering the amount of vetrans already in law enforcement I have a hard time believing that more task forces, more grants, more cooperation between local police forces and the military is a net benefit.  Also, huge lol that some local yokel is going to be informing SOP for the military in a war zone. 

you can "lol" at the completely hypothetical details, but it's ridiculous to think police couldn't learn something from military, and vice versa. I mean, you acknowledge police are "yokels",  but at the same time say they pretty much know all they need to because so many of them are vets? Sure, collaboration and sharing of knowledge may not be necessary, but being afraid of potential collaboration is tin foil hat territory.

The rest of your post I basically agree with, other than it seems like you would like law enforcement to do what they are asked to do less effectively. What needs to change is what they are asked to do, perhaps.

[kim carnes]

Yeah, but the cop was totally uneasy when some antisemitic idiot interrogated him about it!

Are you calling him a liar?   Bc it's sounds like you're calling him a liar. 

[mortons toe]

I bet racist toe gets really steamed watching carstop videos on youtube.

oh man... you got me.

[Kat Kid]

Considering the amount of vetrans already in law enforcement I have a hard time believing that more task forces, more grants, more cooperation between local police forces and the military is a net benefit.  Also, huge lol that some local yokel is going to be informing SOP for the military in a war zone. 

1) you can "lol" at the completely hypothetical details, but it's ridiculous to think police couldn't learn something from military, and vice versa. I mean, you acknowledge police are "yokels",  but at the same time say they pretty much know all they need to because so many of them are vets? Sure, collaboration and sharing of knowledge may not be necessary, but being afraid of potential collaboration is tin foil hat territory.

2) The rest of your post I basically agree with, other than it seems like you would like law enforcement to do what they are asked to do less effectively. What needs to change is what they are asked to do, perhaps.

I am not afraid of potential collaboration because I view it as a conspiracy.  I think it is laughable that the half of a trillion dollar (+) military would be asking locally funded police for advice.  Even if RCPD was ready share its wealth of knowledge on setting up DUI checkpoints or how bicycle cops can save on gas money, the military is never going to ask for it.

As for police, nearly every department of any size has a hand full of veterans in its force.  Some of them may even have been, and I know I am blowing your mind here, military police.  I fail to see what productive end could be served by providing military training to civilian officers who are, again, not in a warzone.  A lot of police have an enormous hard on for guns and power and have several incredibly strong layers that protect them from facing any consequences when they abuse their power.  Emboldening them to further militarize (with weapons, tactics, even a militaristic mindset) is precisely the wrong direction.

2) Yeah pretty much both of those if you view SWAT teams and military armored vehicles and flashbangs etc as police being effective.

[michigancat]

Considering the amount of vetrans already in law enforcement I have a hard time believing that more task forces, more grants, more cooperation between local police forces and the military is a net benefit.  Also, huge lol that some local yokel is going to be informing SOP for the military in a war zone. 

1) you can "lol" at the completely hypothetical details, but it's ridiculous to think police couldn't learn something from military, and vice versa. I mean, you acknowledge police are "yokels",  but at the same time say they pretty much know all they need to because so many of them are vets? Sure, collaboration and sharing of knowledge may not be necessary, but being afraid of potential collaboration is tin foil hat territory.

2) The rest of your post I basically agree with, other than it seems like you would like law enforcement to do what they are asked to do less effectively. What needs to change is what they are asked to do, perhaps.

I am not afraid of potential collaboration because I view it as a conspiracy.  I think it is laughable that the half of a trillion dollar (+) military would be asking locally funded police for advice.  Even if RCPD was ready share its wealth of knowledge on setting up DUI checkpoints or how bicycle cops can save on gas money, the military is never going to ask for it.

As for police, nearly every department of any size has a hand full of veterans in its force.  Some of them may even have been, and I know I am blowing your mind here, military police.  I fail to see what productive end could be served by providing military training to civilian officers who are, again, not in a warzone.  A lot of police have an enormous hard on for guns and power and have several incredibly strong layers that protect them from facing any consequences when they abuse their power.  Emboldening them to further militarize (with weapons, tactics, even a militaristic mindset) is precisely the wrong direction.

2) Yeah pretty much both of those if you view SWAT teams and military armored vehicles and flashbangs etc as police being effective.

Do you think the military could have done anything a better job in Baghdad, or did they just rough ridin' nail it? Do you think they could have learned anything from the experience? Could anything they learned apply to police work, such as how they quickly got info from someone speaking a foreign language or recognizing suspicious vehicles? Heck, maybe they could help RCPD make their next DUI checkpoint cheaper and more effective.

Again, these are just hypothetical possibilities of beneficial knowledge that really should be shared, even if small-minded thinking and mind-blowing ex MP's are reasons they aren't shared. There is SOME useful overlap between police and military functions, and I don't see the harm in both realms having common best practices when it makes sense.

[Kat Kid]

Sure it is possible that something could be learned by getting a bunch of military and police in a room and swapping some tales.  Maybe you can go too and try to figure out how to come up with a hypothetical that doesn't make you sound like a dumbass.

[steve dave]

[michigancat]

someone needed a nap.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

How do you choose which of the million or so military men and which of the million or so policemen go to this brainstorming pow wow?  Is just combat/law enforcement covered or are other topics (office attire, sexual harassment, PTO, etc.) also discussed? How do the reps of the police department disseminate all the hip new ideas to the thousands of local law enforcement offices not represented? Does the fire department or coast guard get an invite?

I'm curious because this bouncing ideas off one another idea sounds like a really well thought and reasoned approach to improving local law enforcement and enhancing those responsible for preserving our nations sovereignty.  Not just some pathetic "outside the box" thinly veiled partisan remark to justify whatever unsavorory action our idiot commander in chief got caught doing this week.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Maybe neighborhood lifeguards could hook up with the Navy Seals to bounce around rescue techniques and strategies?

[Kat Kid]

I'm guessing you saw this michigancat?

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/09/a-mini-military-industrial-complex-ctd-2/

[p1k3]

I'm guessing you saw this michigancat?

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/09/a-mini-military-industrial-complex-ctd-2/

warm up the tin foil hats

[michigancat]

I'm guessing you saw this michigancat?

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/09/a-mini-military-industrial-complex-ctd-2/

I did, and I would agree that things like conducting unnecessary SWAT raids and dismissing or flat-out ignoring the 4th amendment is a problem.

[Dugout DickStone]

Can you imagine if RCPD got some military style stuff how hard they'd trash Fake Patties Day?  It would be like when the 101st blocked off Sadr City