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Fun Fact for the day:
« on: June 19, 2013, 03:25:38 PM »
The color you see with your eyes in complete darkness is called eigengrau.



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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 03:38:51 PM »
Fun!

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 03:39:49 PM »
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Eigengrau is perceived as lighter than a black object in normal lighting conditions, because contrast is more important to the visual system than absolute brightness. For example, the night sky looks darker than eigengrau because of the contrast provided by the stars.

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 03:46:18 PM »
This is really interesting.  In Principal Component Analysis, eigen values greater than one could be perceived as factors after a rotation (verimax/promax).  Eigen in German means self or one's perception (sometimes from the self) (via wikipedia, not me).  The translation of eigengrau means self gray/ashen or one's perception of darkness.  Pretty cool word and it would make and awesome band name.  Nice fact of the day!
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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 03:46:46 PM »
Take it to the Random facts you find interesting thread.
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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 03:48:57 PM »
Take it to the Random facts you find interesting thread.

Oh yea...I forgot about that thread.  Unruly, you are truly the Dewey Decimal System to this goEMAW.com library.
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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2013, 03:49:11 PM »
This is really interesting.  In Principal Component Analysis, eigen values greater than one could be perceived as factors after a rotation (verimax/promax).  Eigen in German means self or one's perception (sometimes from the self) (via wikipedia, not me).  The translation of eigengrau means self gray/ashen or one's perception of darkness.  Pretty cool word and it would make and awesome band name.  Nice fact of the day!

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2013, 03:54:09 PM »
This is really interesting.  In Principal Component Analysis, eigen values greater than one could be perceived as factors after a rotation (verimax/promax).  Eigen in German means self or one's perception (sometimes from the self) (via wikipedia, not me).  The translation of eigengrau means self gray/ashen or one's perception of darkness.  Pretty cool word and it would make and awesome band name.  Nice fact of the day!

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 02:34:46 AM »
Now this is a thread I can get behind.

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2013, 08:04:58 AM »
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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2013, 09:32:41 AM »
This fact IS fun! :exctited:

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2013, 09:46:02 AM »
I cannot wait for today's FUN FACT!!!   :party:

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2013, 09:58:36 AM »
This is really interesting.  In Principal Component Analysis, eigen values greater than one could be perceived as factors after a rotation (verimax/promax).  Eigen in German means self or one's perception (sometimes from the self) (via wikipedia, not me).  The translation of eigengrau means self gray/ashen or one's perception of darkness.  Pretty cool word and it would make and awesome band name.  Nice fact of the day!

Does this all mean that we need contrast to experience the color black, and if that is the case, does black even exist?  Or is it simply that we only see eigengrau but that it seems darker because of the contrast?  If that is the case, black isn't even a figment of our imagination, it is a physical creation of our shitty eyes?   I mean, if we are in complete darkness and see something lighter, that seems to be the case to me.

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 10:22:50 AM »
DOES BLACK EVEN EXIST?
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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 10:29:44 AM »
Yeah, I love this type of stuff and tend to nerd out on it.

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2013, 10:33:24 AM »
DOES BLACK EVEN EXIST?

When I ponder such things, I'm reminded of a famous Basque quote that (translated) says:

"Everything that has a name exists."

http://www.buber.net/Basque/Folklore/olentzero.html

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Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2013, 10:39:01 AM »
Train conductors never really check tickets they just walk around and hole punch stuff and collect cash for tickets from total rubes.

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2013, 02:51:29 PM »
This is really interesting.  In Principal Component Analysis, eigen values greater than one could be perceived as factors after a rotation (verimax/promax).  Eigen in German means self or one's perception (sometimes from the self) (via wikipedia, not me).  The translation of eigengrau means self gray/ashen or one's perception of darkness.  Pretty cool word and it would make and awesome band name.  Nice fact of the day!

Does this all mean that we need contrast to experience the color black, and if that is the case, does black even exist?  Or is it simply that we only see eigengrau but that it seems darker because of the contrast?  If that is the case, black isn't even a figment of our imagination, it is a physical creation of our shitty eyes?   I mean, if we are in complete darkness and see something lighter, that seems to be the case to me.

I kind of know where to go with this post but I don't want to write a wall of text.  As a young Blumperz, I remember reading this article on color vision and the evolution therein.  http://www.imaging.org/ist/publications/reporter/issues/Reporter20_1.pdf  In general, humans see black, white and red similarly.  Variations exists with other colors, but perception of colors is remarkably stable across cultures.  The famous work of Berlin and Kay (1969) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms:_Their_Universality_and_Evolution points out that color categories are indeed universal.  Color combinations are subject to cultural limitations which is what relativism proposes.  Black does exist, but not within our perception.  Take a dog whistle as an example.  You don't hear the high pitch frequency because it is beyond our perception, but the frequency exists.  Black is no different.

Things get even more bizarre when culture/language shapes what we actually hear (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6747097).  Because most of us only speak English, we can only perceive English based phonemes and syntax.  Crazy stuff.  As an adult, it is difficult for me to even perceive Mandarin Chinese because I lack the cognitive structures to actually hear it.  I gotta stop or I'll write a freaking thesis here.

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2013, 02:54:09 PM »
Train conductors never really check tickets they just walk around and hole punch stuff and collect cash for tickets from total rubes.

Then whats up with people who get booted from the train? staged? just didn't like the look of them?

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2013, 02:58:03 PM »
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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2013, 02:59:17 PM »
Train conductors never really check tickets they just walk around and hole punch stuff and collect cash for tickets from total rubes.

Then whats up with people who get booted from the train? staged? just didn't like the look of them?

Have you ever seen someone get booted from a train in real life?

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2013, 02:59:48 PM »
DOES BLACK EVEN EXIST?

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2013, 03:03:14 PM »
So on the flipside is pure white really just eggshell white to our eyes?  How does this affect our kitchen appliances?

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Re: Fun Fact for the day:
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2013, 03:14:22 PM »
Train conductors never really check tickets they just walk around and hole punch stuff and collect cash for tickets from total rubes.

Then whats up with people who get booted from the train? staged? just didn't like the look of them?

Have you ever seen someone get booted from a train in real life?

Yup. From the Metra. He didn't have a ticket. But he was also drunk and belligerent and had a 30 pack under one arm. But no ticket.