Author Topic: Stars Absolutely Matter (Read 9960 times)

steve dave · « **on:** April 26, 2013, 09:39:02 AM »

17 of the first round draft was 4/5 star players (Rivals rankings). Over half. I would like to know what percentage of college football scholarship players are 4/5 star players. I would guess about 5%?

EllRobersonisInnocent · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2013, 09:40:21 AM »

Of the 17, how many will have productive careers?? Maybe 10?

CNS · « **Reply #2 on:** April 26, 2013, 09:48:44 AM »

Quote from: i'm a total idiot and nobody likes me on April 26, 2013, 09:40:21 AM

Of the 17, how many will have productive careers?? Maybe 10?

Irrelevant. SD is countering the tuck talking point about stars not mattering in college FB. They obviously matter because the cream that rises to the top of college FB gets drafted. Of those players that make up the cream that is the first round, a large percentage of them were rated with a lot of stars as HS kids going into college.

No one cares how they do in the NFL, just that they obvsly were great college players for the NFL to want them.

EllRobersonisInnocent · « **Reply #3 on:** April 26, 2013, 09:52:58 AM »

Quote from: CNS Casey on April 26, 2013, 09:48:44 AM

Quote from: i'm a total idiot and nobody likes me on April 26, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
Of the 17, how many will have productive careers?? Maybe 10?

Irrelevant. SD is countering the tuck talking point about stars not mattering in college FB. They obviously matter because the cream that rises to the top of college FB gets drafted. Of those players that make up the cream that is the first round, a large percentage of them were rated with a lot of stars as HS kids going into college.

No one cares how they do in the NFL, just that they obvsly were great college players for the NFL to want them.

I thought he was correlating stars to NFL success

'taterblast · « **Reply #4 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:15:49 AM »

79cat of gpc fame says eff you, steve dave.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #5 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:16:39 AM »

Quote from: emawblast on April 26, 2013, 10:15:49 AM

79cat of gpc fame says eff you, steve dave.

I will fight 79cat for saying that to sd

steve dave · « **Reply #6 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:17:05 AM »

Quote from: scottwildcat on April 26, 2013, 10:16:39 AM

Quote from: emawblast on April 26, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
79cat of gpc fame says eff you, steve dave.

I will fight 79cat for saying that to sd

whip his ass scott

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:18:21 AM »

Quote from: CNS Casey on April 26, 2013, 09:48:44 AM

Quote from: i'm a total idiot and nobody likes me on April 26, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
Of the 17, how many will have productive careers?? Maybe 10?

Irrelevant. SD is countering the tuck talking point about stars not mattering in college FB. They obviously matter because the cream that rises to the top of college FB gets drafted. Of those players that make up the cream that is the first round, a large percentage of them were rated with a lot of stars as HS kids going into college.

No one cares how they do in the NFL, just that they obvsly were great college players for the NFL to want them.

I agree that stars absolutely matter, but sometimes the cream that rises to the top of college football doesn't get drafted. Just look at Collin Klein.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:18:42 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 26, 2013, 10:17:05 AM

Quote from: scottwildcat on April 26, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: emawblast on April 26, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
79cat of gpc fame says eff you, steve dave.

I will fight 79cat for saying that to sd

whip his ass scott

I will! Spaces is going to video tape it and put it on YouTube!

'taterblast · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:22:03 AM »

DID MARCUS WATTS HAVE STARS?!

'taterblast · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:25:08 AM »

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Boy do I feel dumb for thinking we were going to have a pretty good o line next year now I find out it is going to suck! 3 star Whitehair,3 star Taylor,2 star Finney, 2 star Lucas,2 star Stiverson what a bunch of losers! But what do I know I thought 2 star Meshack Williams was pretty good. I don't EVEN want to think how bad 2 star Ty Zimmerman is going to be YUK! I hope we can meet with the players tomorrow so I can tell 2 star Glen Gronkowski what the smart boys on GPC think of him!

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:25:32 AM »

Eric Fisher, 2* recruit.

'taterblast · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:25:50 AM »

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So what you are saying ARM58 is you get 5 star Peni Holakeituai and I get stuck with 3 star Ryan Lilja? And you get 4 star Jessie Keaulana-Kamakea and all I get is 3 star Jeromey Clary? And I bet you get 5 star Daniel Davis and all I get is 3 star Yamon Figurs?

Arm are you gonna stick me with Jordy Nelson, Ty Zimmerman, Darren Sproles and Tyson Hartman?

what now steve dave?

CNS · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:27:21 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on April 26, 2013, 10:18:21 AM

Quote from: CNS Casey on April 26, 2013, 09:48:44 AM
Quote from: i'm a total idiot and nobody likes me on April 26, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
Of the 17, how many will have productive careers?? Maybe 10?

Irrelevant. SD is countering the tuck talking point about stars not mattering in college FB. They obviously matter because the cream that rises to the top of college FB gets drafted. Of those players that make up the cream that is the first round, a large percentage of them were rated with a lot of stars as HS kids going into college.

No one cares how they do in the NFL, just that they obvsly were great college players for the NFL to want them.

I agree that stars absolutely matter, but sometimes the cream that rises to the top of college football doesn't get drafted. Just look at Collin Klein.

For every Colin Klein, you have twenty or twenty five years of 1st round drafts that include 1/3rd of 5star guys.

EMAWmeister · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:28:34 AM »

I don't get how teams like North Carolina and Missouri always have top 15 picks every year but still suck balls.

steve dave · « **Reply #15 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:30:32 AM »

Quote from: EMAWmeister on April 26, 2013, 10:28:34 AM

I don't get how teams like North Carolina and Missouri always have top 15 picks every year but still suck balls.

prolly the same reason we had stud first rounder Josh Freeman and stud white guy Jordy Nelson but still sucked balls. you can't surround studs with puds. at least surround them with mediums.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:36:38 AM »

Imagine how awesome we'd be if we surrounded diamond in the rough 2 and 3 star types with elite 5 star athletes.

MadCat · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:36:49 AM »

Will we have enough mediums to sustain #life?

steve dave · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:41:00 AM »

Quote from: MadCat on April 26, 2013, 10:36:49 AM

Will we have enough mediums to sustain #life?

yeah, our offense is full of stud mediums. it's the defense that's lacking mediums imo.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:41:28 AM »

Stars are stupid, stupid way of evaluating a recruit. For instance Lucas and Tate were both 2 Stars but if you evaluated them out of high school you would of know Lucas had a chance to be really good and Tate didn't. The fact that players get the same star rating for totally different reason make the star system stupid.

CNS · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:44:06 AM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on April 26, 2013, 10:41:28 AM

Stars are stupid, stupid way of evaluating a recruit. For instance Lucas and Tate were both 2 Stars but if you evaluated them out of high school you would of know Lucas had a chance to be really good and Tate didn't. The fact that players get the same star rating for totally different reason make the star system stupid.

The NFL seems to confirm the process yearly.

AbeFroman · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:48:18 AM »

I don't even want 5 star players, just give us some good 4 stars

CNS · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:53:01 AM »

Hopefully NBAF comes up with some thing that can make a 3 star a 4 star then.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2013, 10:55:27 AM »

Quote from: CNS Casey on April 26, 2013, 10:44:06 AM

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on April 26, 2013, 10:41:28 AM
Stars are stupid, stupid way of evaluating a recruit. For instance Lucas and Tate were both 2 Stars but if you evaluated them out of high school you would of know Lucas had a chance to be really good and Tate didn't. The fact that players get the same star rating for totally different reason make the star system stupid.

The NFL seems to confirm the process yearly.

I believe they can do better. But the point is not all 2 stars are as football challenge as others and the system needs to make distinctions. For instance you should be able to go to a recruits profile and understand that Lamarck Brown and Jordy Nelson don't have 2 stars of separation of talent.

Panjandrum · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2013, 11:00:33 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 26, 2013, 09:39:02 AM

17 of the first round draft was 4/5 star players (Rivals rankings). Over half. I would like to know what percentage of college football scholarship players are 4/5 star players. I would guess about 5%?

To play Devil's advocate to sd, most of the star rankings are based on measurables, which is what the NFL typically drafts on. So, it's no surprise that the correlation is high.

If a kid is freakishly big, freakishly fast, and freakishly strong, that probably won't change much after 3-5 years of college S&C.

There are only 250-300 kids in that 4/5 star range, and yes, it does make a difference if you can hoard a whole slew of them (i.e. Alabama), but for everyone outside of 10-15 schools, you need to find different ways to win, and a ton of colleges do.

So, the bottom line is that there are a lot of ways to win in college football. Hoarding 4/5 star talent is one, but it's not the only way.