oscar is on the clock...

[pissclams]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

You're right but he was Frank Martin, head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats. Purple, powercats, and swooshes everywhere.

agreed but it's important that people see frank for who/what he was and not romanticize some dream about him and us and we.  call it a helpful dose of reality. 

[EMAWmeister]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

He was a massive part of it, but it wasn't a Larry Brown at SMU type of thing.

[michigancat]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

You're right but he was Frank Martin, head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats. Purple, powercats, and swooshes everywhere.

agreed but it's important that people see frank for who/what he was and not romanticize some dream about him and us and we.  call it a helpful dose of reality. 

I think the OP realized it left with Frank. You just decided to turn it into a semantics argument.

[pissclams]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

You're right but he was Frank Martin, head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats. Purple, powercats, and swooshes everywhere.

agreed but it's important that people see frank for who/what he was and not romanticize some dream about him and us and we.  call it a helpful dose of reality. 

I think the OP realized it left with Frank. You just decided to turn it into a semantics argument.

whether or not he realized it left with frank has nothing to do with the realization that frank is a self-serving douchebag.  i'm quite sure there's a lot of folks here that won't accept that, if that's semantics, cool.  things here under frank weren't the rough ridin' rose garden that people like to pretend they were.

[CHONGS]

NOT A ROSE GARDEN!

[EMAWmeister]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

You're right but he was Frank Martin, head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats. Purple, powercats, and swooshes everywhere.

agreed but it's important that people see frank for who/what he was and not romanticize some dream about him and us and we.  call it a helpful dose of reality. 

I think the OP realized it left with Frank. You just decided to turn it into a semantics argument.

whether or not he realized it left with frank has nothing to do with the realization that frank is a self-serving douchebag.  i'm quite sure there's a lot of folks here that won't accept that, if that's semantics, cool.  things here under frank weren't the rough ridin' rose garden that people like to pretend they were.

No, but I never thought "holy crap, we are going to rough ridin' suck ass next year" under frank.

[CHONGS]

SICK AND TIRED

so you better clean up your acts and quit pretending cuz that bar ain't bending

[michigancat]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

You're right but he was Frank Martin, head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats. Purple, powercats, and swooshes everywhere.

agreed but it's important that people see frank for who/what he was and not romanticize some dream about him and us and we.  call it a helpful dose of reality. 

I think the OP realized it left with Frank. You just decided to turn it into a semantics argument.

whether or not he realized it left with frank has nothing to do with the realization that frank is a self-serving douchebag.  i'm quite sure there's a lot of folks here that won't accept that, if that's semantics, cool.  things here under frank weren't the rough ridin' rose garden that people like to pretend they were.

All coaches are self-serving douchebags (and yes Frank was a big one with a bad streak of paranoia and an inferiority complex). But Frank's self-serving douchebagyness built a brand that benefited KSU in more ways than it hurt.

[Mixed-Nutz]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

You're right but he was Frank Martin, head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats. Purple, powercats, and swooshes everywhere.

agreed but it's important that people see frank for who/what he was and not romanticize some dream about him and us and we.  call it a helpful dose of reality. 

I think the OP realized it left with Frank. You just decided to turn it into a semantics argument.

whether or not he realized it left with frank has nothing to do with the realization that frank is a self-serving douchebag.  i'm quite sure there's a lot of folks here that won't accept that, if that's semantics, cool.  things here under frank weren't the rough ridin' rose garden that people like to pretend they were.

No, but I never thought "holy crap, we are going to rough ridin' suck ass next year" under frank.

  After Beasley and walker left......

[EMAWmeister]

I think what pisses me off the most about the transition from Frank to oscar is that under Frank, WE HAD A BRAND. We were an extremely marketable team. "Frank Martin Basketball" was something that you could get excited about. You knew that every season, regardless of who you lost, you would have a team that played hard, tough defense, and rebounded their faces off. I have absolutely no idea what kind of basketball we're going to see next year. oscar's offensive teams at Illinois were successful when they had good guard play. Without good guards, the wheels fell off. We do not have good guard play going into next year.

i'm so sick of people saying that we had a brand.  we didn't have crap.  frank has a brand.  everything he did was to promote himself, not k-state.

You're right but he was Frank Martin, head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats. Purple, powercats, and swooshes everywhere.

agreed but it's important that people see frank for who/what he was and not romanticize some dream about him and us and we.  call it a helpful dose of reality. 

I think the OP realized it left with Frank. You just decided to turn it into a semantics argument.

whether or not he realized it left with frank has nothing to do with the realization that frank is a self-serving douchebag.  i'm quite sure there's a lot of folks here that won't accept that, if that's semantics, cool.  things here under frank weren't the rough ridin' rose garden that people like to pretend they were.

No, but I never thought "holy crap, we are going to rough ridin' suck ass next year" under frank.

  After Beasley and walker left......

If we go 9-7 in conference play next year, I'd be a little surprised.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Big 12 is way way down next year. Get to play Tech, Wvu and TCU six times.

[Mr Bread]

Frank hurt 'clams. eff you, Frank!

[CHONGS]

Frank hurt 'clams. eff you, Frank!

You just haven't been here long enough.  Clams has always disliked Frank and his brand (ha!) of basketball.   

[Mr Bread]

Frank hurt 'clams. eff you, Frank!

You just haven't been here long enough.  Clams has always disliked Frank and his brand (ha!) of basketball.

I'm not sure I can make any jokes about that. 

[wetwillie]

Big 12 is way way down next year. Get to play Tech, Wvu and TCU six times.

This team probably gets a win at the field house somehow.

[Skipper44]

Big 12 is way way down next year. Get to play Tech, Wvu and TCU six times.

I would not be surprised if we go 3-3 vs those teams and I will eat my hat if  we go 5-1

[scottwildcat]

Big 12 is way way down next year. Get to play Tech, Wvu and TCU six times.

I would not be surprised if we go 3-3 vs those teams and I will eat my hat if  we go 5-1

 

[MakeItRain]

whether or not he realized it left with frank has nothing to do with the realization that frank is a self-serving douchebag.  i'm quite sure there's a lot of folks here that won't accept that, if that's semantics, cool.  things here under frank weren't the rough ridin' rose garden that people like to pretend they were.

Shouldn't Frank and every other coach be self-servingk? Hell shouldn't every employee ever be self-serving? I mean we only care(d) about him because he was a beloved coach of our school, should we expect him to treat us any differently than a means to an end. Slandering him because he looked out for him and his family is so basic and such hypocritical bullshit. This was a job to him and no one should expect any coach or player for that matter to feel any differently.

[EMAWmeister]

Big 12 is way way down next year. Get to play Tech, Wvu and TCU six times.

Yeah, but everyone else gets to play K-State twice.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Quality of wins is going to be K-state issue next year. Not the amount, I don't think wining 10 conference game is out of reach. W: 2 X Tech, 2 X TCU, 2 X WVU, Texas, ISU, OU, Baylor are all winnable.

[pissclams]

whether or not he realized it left with frank has nothing to do with the realization that frank is a self-serving douchebag.  i'm quite sure there's a lot of folks here that won't accept that, if that's semantics, cool.  things here under frank weren't the rough ridin' rose garden that people like to pretend they were.

Shouldn't Frank and every other coach be self-servingk? Hell shouldn't every employee ever be self-serving? I mean we only care(d) about him because he was a beloved coach of our school, should we expect him to treat us any differently than a means to an end. Slandering him because he looked out for him and his family is so basic and such hypocritical bullshit. This was a job to him and no one should expect any coach or player for that matter to feel any differently.

yes.  they should all be.  we all should be.  you missed the point.  don't pick the low hanging fruit and try a little harder next time.  no one is slandering him because he looked out for him and his family. 

[kso_FAN]

Quality of wins is going to be K-state issue next year. Not the amount, I don't think wining 10 conference game is out of reach. W: 2 X Tech, 2 X TCU, 2 X WVU, Texas, ISU, OU, Baylor are all winnable.

The Big 12 looks pretty bad, could be a 3 bid league.

[pissclams]

Frank hurt 'clams. eff you, Frank!

You just haven't been here long enough.  Clams has always disliked Frank and his brand (ha!) of basketball.   

FRANK BUILT US A BRAND, MAN! WE LAID IT ON THE LINE TOGETHER!  gmafb. 

[CHONGS]

#memelol

[pissclams]

#doberman