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Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2013, 08:45:27 PM »
If you weren't able to properly judge oscar before he took the kstate job, I seriously doubt that any amount if time will be enough to allow you to clearly do it.

the guy's probably going to retire after kstate.  if you can't judge him by this point in his career, you're just not a person that judges.

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just give him a chance. He's only been the k-state coach for a year.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2013, 08:53:02 PM »
I totally disagree with your timeline.  This team was arguably going to be oscar's team and program next year.
I see a few factors for this.  1) the divorce with Frank.  oscar was brought in because of his proven track record talking point.  He wasn't mean to be a coach who was suppose to grow and mature into the job.  He was brought in to recreate the team in an image of his model.  Now he wouldn't be able to do that necessarily, but there were key components to make that happen, Angel being one of them.  2) The players that were left from Frank are either graduating (3 seniors) or were candidates for Franking this season, I can think of Angel as being an exception.  That fact makes them malleable as potential "oscar" guys instead of "Frank" guys.  Angel as the exception though is an easy work around because he could have been a oscar type of player.  Now we obviously know there was a personality conflict there, but I don't see it as a skill set issue where Angel wouldn't work in oscar's system.  3) Many of oscar's players are going to be hitting immediate playing time as the come in.  There wouldn't be any true Frankite holdovers.  Now Orris is an admitted exception here, but I wonder if he was always meant as a warm body and candidate for Brucing.  We already knew we would have a lot of quick changeover, now if we want to talk "young team" talking point instead of "making it his program" talking point, that is an entirely different discussion. 

Note: I don't mean my references to talking point as inherently negative. I use that term to cover the wide range of discussion topics and the discourse people have when referring to those talking points. 
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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2013, 09:01:23 PM »
burning things down is a very central texas thing to do. we are where we come from.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2013, 09:02:48 PM »
It's all about perception to me, call it what you like. No matter what, Angel would've always been a strong connection to Frank and IMO his talent would've bought oscar more time. Now that is gone.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2013, 09:04:04 PM »
Lame thread. BURN IT DOWN.

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Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2013, 09:06:16 PM »

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2013, 09:26:18 PM »
I've always thought that a conference championship buys a coach a minimum of five more years.  (Ten for a natoonal championship.)

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2013, 09:30:33 PM »
I'm just more apathetic than angry.

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Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2013, 09:47:42 PM »
I've always thought that a conference championship buys a coach a minimum of five more years.  (Ten for a natoonal championship.)

you're probably right

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Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2013, 09:50:13 PM »
I've always thought that a conference championship buys a coach a minimum of five more years.  (Ten for a natoonal championship.)

you're probably right

How long was Tubby at Kentucky after they won their title?  I know he left before getting fired, but they were going to fire him eventually.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2013, 09:52:36 PM »
I don't care if oscar has a young team next year. He doesn't get extra time for running off two juniors and a senior. If the players he is bringing in are worse than the players leaving early, he should get less time, not more.

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Re: Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2013, 09:54:12 PM »
I've always thought that a conference championship buys a coach a minimum of five more years.  (Ten for a natoonal championship.)

you're probably right

How long was Tubby at Kentucky after they won their title?  I know he left before getting fired, but they were going to fire him eventually.

nine years?

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Re: Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2013, 10:01:52 PM »
I've always thought that a conference championship buys a coach a minimum of five more years.  (Ten for a natoonal championship.)

you're probably right

How long was Tubby at Kentucky after they won their title?  I know he left before getting fired, but they were going to fire him eventually.

nine years?

I just checked; you were right.  It was nine.

And I never realized he went to the NCAA tournament every year he was there.  He never lost a first round game, either.  In his ten years, they went to the Sweet 16 or better six times.

Crazy.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2013, 10:03:41 PM »
I've always thought that a conference championship buys a coach a minimum of five more years.  (Ten for a natoonal championship.)

you're probably right

How long was Tubby at Kentucky after they won their title?  I know he left before getting fired, but they were going to fire him eventually.

nine years?

I just checked; you were right.  It was nine.

And I never realized he went to the NCAA tournament every year he was there.  He never lost a first round game, either.  In his ten years, they went to the Sweet 16 or better six times.

Crazy.

Sounds dreamy. :(

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Re: Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2013, 10:03:54 PM »
I've always thought that a conference championship buys a coach a minimum of five more years.  (Ten for a natoonal championship.)

you're probably right

How long was Tubby at Kentucky after they won their title?  I know he left before getting fired, but they were going to fire him eventually.

nine years?

I just checked; you were right.  It was nine.

And I never realized he went to the NCAA tournament every year he was there.  He never lost a first round game, either.  In his ten years, they went to the Sweet 16 or better six times.

Crazy.

Yeah, it wasn't really a Wooly situation. Tubby was actually a pretty good coach.

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Re: Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2013, 10:05:04 PM »
once he was hired I wasn't just going to adopt some pessimistic, defeatist attitude toward K-State basketball and still haven't, but I haven't stopped anyone from doing so if they so chose that route. I believe I've been consistent on my oscar perspective.

you don't have to judge him as horrible, i certainly don't.  you can judge him however you want.  i just don't see how you can look at a 55 year old man and say you don't have enough information to evaluate him.
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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2013, 10:11:13 PM »
once he was hired I wasn't just going to adopt some pessimistic, defeatist attitude toward K-State basketball and still haven't, but I haven't stopped anyone from doing so if they so chose that route. I believe I've been consistent on my oscar perspective.

you don't have to judge him as horrible, i certainly don't.  you can judge him however you want.  i just don't see how you can look at a 55 year old man and say you don't have enough information to evaluate him.


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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2013, 10:20:29 PM »
This is oscar's team.  The three best players are still Frank's, but they are all ones of the caliber and style we will likely see in the future with oscar.

Hell no. Are you talking about Nino or Will. No no no no no no no no no no no no. If either of those guys are the third best player next year it would either take a colossal jump in talent or we will be in horrific condition.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2013, 10:22:34 PM »
This is oscar's team.  The three best players are still Frank's, but they are all ones of the caliber and style we will likely see in the future with oscar.

Hell no. Are you talking about Nino or Will. No no no no no no no no no no no no. If either of those guys are the third best player next year it would either take a colossal jump in talent or we will be in horrific condition.

I have seen nothing to indicate that we are not in horrific condition for next season. I think he was talking about Southwell, Gipson, and Will. Will may not crack the top 3, but he will be #1 in minutes, so it doesn't matter at all.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2013, 10:23:50 PM »
I don't care if oscar has a young team next year. He doesn't get extra time for running off two juniors and a senior. If the players he is bringing in are worse than the players leaving early, he should get less time, not more.

And this will be a test of Currie's integrity. They floated the supposed mass exodus as a reason for needing to start over last season. If Currie is willing to admit to his misses he will evaluate oscar the way you propose.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2013, 10:24:36 PM »
This is oscar's team.  The three best players are still Frank's, but they are all ones of the caliber and style we will likely see in the future with oscar.

Hell no. Are you talking about Nino or Will. No no no no no no no no no no no no. If either of those guys are the third best player next year it would either take a colossal jump in talent or we will be in horrific condition.

I have seen nothing to indicate that we are not in horrific condition for next season. I think he was talking about Southwell, Gipson, and Will. Will may not crack the top 3, but he will be #1 in minutes, so it doesn't matter at all.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2013, 10:26:08 PM »
Everyone gets what they want.  Team #KingBruce gets the pg they hated off the team (and for a pg who hopefully plays the right way) and team #BID sees another part of the prophesy revealed.  #KingBruce is assured at least 5 more years. #BID has ammo for days.

Oh and team #WishyWashy gets an excuse to refrain from judgement and team #TrollNoMatterWhat will keep on trucking by posting the most obviously "against-the-grain" (and painfully run into the ground) opinions to get reactions. 

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2013, 10:28:57 PM »
Angel >>> any possible mass exodus

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2013, 10:30:33 PM »
Angel >>> any possible mass exodus

Agreed.

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oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2013, 11:21:45 PM »
hopefully angel enjoys being closer to home


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