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« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2013, 08:03:12 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.

Tsunami and Katrina is a good example.  More property was lost in Katrina and it cost more $$ than the Tsunami.  Not that it was a driving factor of coverage but it certainly couldnt have hurt.

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« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2013, 08:24:35 AM »
I, for one, have grown up in basically a constant state of war. Combine that with the terrorist attacks all around the country and mindless acts of violence and I have become rather desensitized to these types of things.

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« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2013, 08:28:20 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.


don't be this guy. a normal functioning human is and should always be affecting more by these types of things that are closer to them. i mean let's say that you are married and your wife is hit by a drunk driver and is in icu and in a coma. are you really going to treat this situation the same as you would if some lady in bosnia was hit by a drunk driver and is in the icu and is in a coma? because you seem to be suggesting this and if you say yes then i'm going to have serious reservations about keeping company with you in the future.

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« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2013, 08:30:53 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.


don't be this guy. a normal functioning human is and should always be affecting more by these types of things that are closer to them. i mean let's say that you are married and your wife is hit by a drunk driver and is in icu and in a coma. are you really going to treat this situation the same as you would if some lady in bosnia was hit by a drunk driver and is in the icu and is in a coma? because you seem to be suggesting this and if you say yes then i'm going to have serious reservations about keeping company with you in the future.

230,000>2,000 is what Jakesie is trying to say I think

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« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2013, 08:32:37 AM »
I said significantly more affected. That fact that we heard about 2000 American deaths more than 230,000 Asians death is alarming. If only 2,000 Asians had died, then yeah, absolutely I understand hearing about Katrina more.



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« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2013, 08:32:59 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.

All true, but that's a media issue. Its normal for countries to care more about their own, and there is no doubt that we are very self focused in this country. That's not always a bad thing, it just is what it is.

As far as this thread, I was once in a group and the discussion was about what we would do if we knew we had a year left to live. The answers were typical, usually involving travel, buying some nice things, etc. My perspective was a bit different; I said that I hoped I was living the type of life that was worthwhile right at that moment, so while there might be some special things, my hope was that I wouldn't have to make drastic changes. I would hope I would continue with my job if able, because I should be in a job I enjoy anyway. I hope that my interaction and time spent with family and friends is what I want it to be and what its should be. While I know for a fact none of those things are where they should be, at least I should be moving in a direction that is what I would want and hope my life to be.

Events like the one in Boston yesterday, or the numerous others discussed, remind me of that conversation. They remind me that life is fleeting, and while I have so far been blessed with very few "disasters" in my personal life and with my extended family, I simply don't know what tomorrow will bring. There is enough evil in the world, that something drastic and traumatic might happen where I live at any moment. From my perspective all human life is precious and shouldn't be treated flippantly, even if I don't know the people involved. When I hear the more detailed and personal stories, it hits home a little bit more because I think about my family, my wife, and my kids. Pretty quickly I usually move on, but there are at least a few moments of hearing or seeing or reading that I do get that pit in my stomach. I don't think its a bad thing to feel that and be reminded of that from time to time, even if its a bit forced and manufactured by the way the media covers these events.

All that said, no one should feel compelled to feel anything, and your stage in life will very likely have a big effect on your reaction. However, we have to at least acknowledge our presuppositions about life, family, etc. also play into how we react. It is true that death happens all the time and in many different circumstances, so it seems a bit silly to overreact to one form over another. But on the other hand, no one should be faulted for how they view life or tragedies, even if that leads to posting annoying stuff on facebook or twitter. To me that social media aspect is almost a different discussion because we simply interact and read reactions that we didn't have available just a few years ago, but those reactions were still there. They were just shared with a handful of people instead of hundreds or more. (and most of those to people we don't really know that well)

I generally agree with the typical gE reaction of "feel or react however you want". However, we also know that nearly everyone is going to have a judgement/opinion to those feelings/reactions (or lack of feelings/reactions) and we must be prepared for that.

We all seem to really enjoy the interactions BBSes like this one (or social media) provide. Unless of course we don't like them. And in an atmosphere like this one, either is fine.

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« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2013, 08:33:35 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.


don't be this guy. a normal functioning human is and should always be affecting more by these types of things that are closer to them. i mean let's say that you are married and your wife is hit by a drunk driver and is in icu and in a coma. are you really going to treat this situation the same as you would if some lady in bosnia was hit by a drunk driver and is in the icu and is in a coma? because you seem to be suggesting this and if you say yes then i'm going to have serious reservations about keeping company with you in the future.

230,000>2,000 is what Jakesie is trying to say I think

and i disagree with him. i have four people in my immediate family and if they are all killed today then i will care much more about that then i will if 400 people are killed in australia or in florida.

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« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2013, 08:36:57 AM »
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« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2013, 08:37:22 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.


don't be this guy. a normal functioning human is and should always be affecting more by these types of things that are closer to them. i mean let's say that you are married and your wife is hit by a drunk driver and is in icu and in a coma. are you really going to treat this situation the same as you would if some lady in bosnia was hit by a drunk driver and is in the icu and is in a coma? because you seem to be suggesting this and if you say yes then i'm going to have serious reservations about keeping company with you in the future.

230,000>2,000 is what Jakesie is trying to say I think

and i disagree with him. i have four people in my immediate family and if they are all killed today then i will care much more about that then i will if 400 people are killed in australia or in florida.

I know just as many people in the Boston Marathon as were in that Afghan wedding yesterday.

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« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2013, 08:42:13 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.


don't be this guy. a normal functioning human is and should always be affecting more by these types of things that are closer to them. i mean let's say that you are married and your wife is hit by a drunk driver and is in icu and in a coma. are you really going to treat this situation the same as you would if some lady in bosnia was hit by a drunk driver and is in the icu and is in a coma? because you seem to be suggesting this and if you say yes then i'm going to have serious reservations about keeping company with you in the future.

230,000>2,000 is what Jakesie is trying to say I think

and i disagree with him. i have four people in my immediate family and if they are all killed today then i will care much more about that then i will if 400 people are killed in australia or in florida.

I know just as many people in the Boston Marathon as were in that Afghan wedding yesterday.

well thanks then. i think you just proved my point.

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« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2013, 08:45:43 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.


don't be this guy. a normal functioning human is and should always be affecting more by these types of things that are closer to them. i mean let's say that you are married and your wife is hit by a drunk driver and is in icu and in a coma. are you really going to treat this situation the same as you would if some lady in bosnia was hit by a drunk driver and is in the icu and is in a coma? because you seem to be suggesting this and if you say yes then i'm going to have serious reservations about keeping company with you in the future.

230,000>2,000 is what Jakesie is trying to say I think

and i disagree with him. i have four people in my immediate family and if they are all killed today then i will care much more about that then i will if 400 people are killed in australia or in florida.

I know just as many people in the Boston Marathon as were in that Afghan wedding yesterday.

well thanks then. i think you just proved my point.

I think Daris isn't fully understanding Jakesie's original post  :dunno:

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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2013, 08:50:29 AM »
What is everyone arguing about here? Yes of course we as Americans are going to care more about stuff happening in America. Much like country X citizens care more about stuff happening in country X than elsewhere.

However of course we should all care about a (possibly) errant bomb killing 120 people at a wedding.

We should also care more about this guy who kills babies (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/us/online-furor-draws-press-to-abortion-doctors-trial.html?_r=0) than a coach who throws basketballs at his players, but this is the world we live in.

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« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2013, 08:59:31 AM »
I feel for all the families of those injured/killed/in the vicinity.  Kinda feel like its hipster to not feel bad for those people.

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« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2013, 09:00:28 AM »
I just refuse to be significantly more affected by American deaths than citizen's of other countries deaths. Our military services killed 30 innocent people today ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html ), and no one will talk about it in lieu of talking about 2 people that died in Boston today (although they wouldn't have talked about it anyway).

A much better example is the coverage of the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 vs the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. If you want to argue that it's more important that we hear about Katrina because it's closer and we can offer help easier, absolutely, I agree. But less than 2,000 people died due to Hurricane Katrina, and TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND people died because of the tsunami. That's nearly a quarter of a million lives that were lost. But the amount of time that we heard about it was miniscule compared to how much we heard about Katrina.

I just wish we would be at least marginally concerned with tragedies in other countries, considering how much more prevalent they are.


don't be this guy. a normal functioning human is and should always be affecting more by these types of things that are closer to them. i mean let's say that you are married and your wife is hit by a drunk driver and is in icu and in a coma. are you really going to treat this situation the same as you would if some lady in bosnia was hit by a drunk driver and is in the icu and is in a coma? because you seem to be suggesting this and if you say yes then i'm going to have serious reservations about keeping company with you in the future.

230,000>2,000 is what Jakesie is trying to say I think

and i disagree with him. i have four people in my immediate family and if they are all killed today then i will care much more about that then i will if 400 people are killed in australia or in florida.

I know just as many people in the Boston Marathon as were in that Afghan wedding yesterday.

well thanks then. i think you just proved my point.

I think Daris isn't fully understanding Jakesie's original post  :dunno:

no. i think i understand it. in a roundabout way, he's claiming some kind of moral superiority because he's saying that he values one human life as much as the next human life regardless of what kind of connection he has to any of those people. it's cute.

it's also a nice thought in general and on paper. but one, i don't really think he actually believes that and two it's kind of intellectually dishonest to claim that he does. he's also feigning surprise that this is a bigger media story than the wedding one, but either doesn't know or doesn't care that a lot of people around him (co-workers, people on this board, people that live across the street from him) did know someone in the marthon while also not knowing anyone in the wedding. of course the media is going to cover this more. his saying that he didn't know either while making the argument he is making is telling. if his wife was in the boston marathon yesterday, he wouldn't be saying what he is saying which is my point and one that i don't think you are getting, ellrobersonisinnocent.

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« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2013, 09:07:22 AM »
I think the difference in empathy for the few locals versus the masses elsewhere is context.  It is easier to put yourself in the place of a person on the side of the finish line watching a loved one finish a marathon, being the person running the marathon,  working/shopping at a business near this finish line, or living in a city in Louisiana,  than it is to place yourself in a third world seaside hut in south Asia. 

Empathy seems strongly connected to context.  It is for me anyway.

Not that I can't appreciate numbers, but we are talking about feeling something and numbers and feelings usually take different parts of the brain to process.

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« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2013, 09:48:27 AM »
I donated to the International Red Cross during the tsunami more money than I did for Katrina.   :dunno:

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« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2013, 10:28:31 AM »
Daris, I'm not saying the Afghan wedding should be covered more. But the number of minutes regarding the Boston Marathon was is astronomical compared to how much press the Afghan wedding got, considering it wasn't mentioned. I'm not trying to say an American life means as much to me as an Afghan, but 30 dead and 120 injured isn't the same as 2 dead and 18 injured. I'm not saying those two stories should be covered equally. But to talk about one for hours on end without mentioning the other should not be considered okay either.

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« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2013, 10:30:00 AM »
there's 80+ injured. I bet the Afghan wedding got more press in Afghanistan than the Boston thing.

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« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2013, 10:32:29 AM »
I imagine so too, considering the numbers. We would never heard about 2 people dying from a bomb if it happened in another country.

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« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2013, 10:45:25 AM »
I imagine so too, considering the numbers. We would never heard about 2 people dying from a bomb if it happened in another country.

nor should we. i mean, can you even imagine how ridiculous life would be if it was nothing but reporting on every single person that died everywhere. i can't. i'd say focus on the bombing of a major united states sporting events that killed multiple people and leave the rest for page 2. but hey that's just me. also, i pretty much just wanted to argue with someone about something this morning and this was the first thing i saw that provided the opportunity, so this should prob be taken into consideration as well.

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« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2013, 10:55:08 AM »
This was a brilliant place for a terrorist attack because the Boston Marathon has to be one of the biggest melting pots of rich white people imaginable. While I don't think I personally knew anyone competing, I know people that have and was one degree of separation from at least a dozen competitors.

that's why this hits with so many people, I think.

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« Reply #96 on: April 16, 2013, 11:29:23 AM »
I also wanted to point out that 24 hour a day media coverage for the next few days isn't going to help anyone that has family there. I doubt MIR and Mrs. MIR were glued to their TV sets to try to see if their friends and family were alright. I imagine they used their cell phone to see what was going on.

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« Reply #97 on: April 16, 2013, 11:44:10 AM »
Two more pages of this and you all get three hours of mass comm credit.

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« Reply #98 on: April 16, 2013, 11:48:21 AM »
I also wanted to point out that 24 hour a day media coverage for the next few days isn't going to help anyone that has family there. I doubt MIR and Mrs. MIR were glued to their TV sets to try to see if their friends and family were alright. I imagine they used their cell phone to see what was going on.

well i would guess that television stations don't care about MIR or mrs MIR are having their media members cover this 24/7 because they feel and maybe have some sort of grounded idea that it will give them good ratings. maybe we could do some experiment where we have half of the television stations cover the boston thing 24/7 and then the other half can cover something that killed 17 italians over in italy 24/7 and then compare the ratings when all is said and done.

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« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2013, 12:02:08 PM »
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Yes, that was beautiful _fan.

As to the jakesie v daris thing:

Jakesie is absolutely right that it's mumped up that our media ignores when our military fucks up and costs 30 civilians their lives. That's horrific. But as sad as this is, it's no longer news. A bomb killing civilians in a country we are at war with is not news, and that is wrong. I think the Boston story is bigger here because that's unheard of here. A bomb going off at a major sporting event is a big freaking deal (outside of Norman, Oklahoma).