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:nono: Hoi
« on: April 10, 2013, 05:40:03 PM »


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Re: :nono: Hoi
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 05:43:18 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 05:52:34 PM »
How much would it suck to get busted for cheating without even winning anything meaningful while you were cheating?

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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 05:54:22 PM »
I bet he gives all of his recruiters the green light 24/7

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 05:56:52 PM »
How much would it suck to get busted for cheating without even winning anything meaningful while you were cheating?

It led the news here in Iowa, they're scared

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 05:57:56 PM »
Hoiberg snitched and ruined this man's life

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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 06:01:38 PM »
I bet it kills them that they still can't beat us when they cheat.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 06:37:26 PM »
meh.

but this does sound like a pretty sweet deal:

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. He was offered a chance to return to school as part of the athletic department's continuing education program in 2010 and assigned to work with the men's basketball team in return for Iowa State paying for his tuition, fees and books.

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 06:48:48 PM »
Where's Lanexa, Kan?
They flood the arena, and they're still dirty.

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 09:28:01 PM »
So it seems the football program is also involved and ol Bobby Elliott is reported as making unauthorized calls.

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 09:29:26 PM »
meh.

The NCAA has classified these violations as major.

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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2013, 04:31:24 AM »
Pffft.  NCAA only trying to look like they're doing something by nailing a program that self-reports violations.  Hell, looking at established cheaters would take work, and if NCAA investigators wanted to work, they'd get themselves a job. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2013, 05:42:58 AM »
How does this compares to sampson when he first got nailed?

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 07:21:49 AM »
How does this compares to sampson when he first got nailed?

2000-2004: Oklahoma head basketball coach Kelvin Sampson and his staff made 577 impermissible phone calls.

2005: Oklahoma froze contract renegotiations, salary increases and postseason bonuses for Sampson for a two-year period.

2005: An internal investigation determined members of Oklahoma’s men’s basketball program made or attempted to make impermissible phone calls to 17 prospects between April 2000 and September 2004, made three impermissible in-person contacts with recruits and improperly gave a T-shirt to one recruit and the parent of one recruit. The NCAA also alleges Sampson failed to adequately monitor his staff’s telephone calls to recruits during that period and the university had inadequate monitoring procedures in place.

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2013, 09:41:46 AM »
Pffft.  NCAA only trying to look like they're doing something by nailing a program that self-reports violations.  Hell, looking at established cheaters would take work, and if NCAA investigators wanted to work, they'd get themselves a job.

First of all, they haven't and won't nail ISU. Unless they find out that ISU is not completely disclosing the truth, the Clones are likely to get the two years of probation that they themselves asked for. Secondly, I'm confused about your point about "established cheaters" when the controversy that they are currently involved in is related to them busting an established cheating program and people getting butthurt about it.

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 10:08:19 AM »
Pffft.  NCAA only trying to look like they're doing something by nailing a program that self-reports violations.  Hell, looking at established cheaters would take work, and if NCAA investigators wanted to work, they'd get themselves a job.

First of all, they haven't and won't nail ISU. Unless they find out that ISU is not completely disclosing the truth, the Clones are likely to get the two years of probation that they themselves asked for. Secondly, I'm confused about your point about "established cheaters" when the controversy that they are currently involved in is related to them busting an established cheating program and people getting butthurt about it.

2 years probation isn't nailing ISU?  Do you understand the consequences if something ELSE should happen while ISU is on probation?  It raises the level of jeopardy to their entire athletic department if something else surfaces, self-reported or not.

When I make mention of "established cheaters", it's collegiate programs where there are incidental or anecdotal disclosures of inappropriate benefits, or other violations of NCAA rules more serious than inappropriate contact with recruits.  Here, I'd cite the absence of scrutiny of NCAA in the multi-year Penn State scandal, or their notable absence in the more recent Rutgers scandal.  The information is out there, a good investigator can find it, but you have to look for it.  NCAA prefers the shooting-ducks-in-the-barrel approach of investigating self-reported violations. 

Yeah, I'm butthurt that the NCAA is patently ineffective.  Probably shouldn't be.

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2013, 10:22:09 AM »
LPIQ here.  So does being on probation mean no bowls no NCAA tournaments for two years?

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2013, 10:22:37 AM »
lol, but Kentucky remains untouched.

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 10:24:49 AM »
LPIQ here.  So does being on probation mean no bowls no NCAA tournaments for two years?

No. It just means that they are in trouble if anything else happens over that two year period.

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2013, 10:25:51 AM »
lol, but Kentucky remains untouched.

you'd think dipshits would start realizing that Kentucky would get nailed if possible. Alas...

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2013, 11:33:24 AM »
Pffft.  NCAA only trying to look like they're doing something by nailing a program that self-reports violations.  Hell, looking at established cheaters would take work, and if NCAA investigators wanted to work, they'd get themselves a job.

First of all, they haven't and won't nail ISU. Unless they find out that ISU is not completely disclosing the truth, the Clones are likely to get the two years of probation that they themselves asked for. Secondly, I'm confused about your point about "established cheaters" when the controversy that they are currently involved in is related to them busting an established cheating program and people getting butthurt about it.

2 years probation isn't nailing ISU?  Do you understand the consequences if something ELSE should happen while ISU is on probation?  It raises the level of jeopardy to their entire athletic department if something else surfaces, self-reported or not.

When I make mention of "established cheaters", it's collegiate programs where there are incidental or anecdotal disclosures of inappropriate benefits, or other violations of NCAA rules more serious than inappropriate contact with recruits.  Here, I'd cite the absence of scrutiny of NCAA in the multi-year Penn State scandal, or their notable absence in the more recent Rutgers scandal.  The information is out there, a good investigator can find it, but you have to look for it.  NCAA prefers the shooting-ducks-in-the-barrel approach of investigating self-reported violations. 

Yeah, I'm butthurt that the NCAA is patently ineffective.  Probably shouldn't be.

No, it isn't nailing ISU because that's what ISU is asking for. And no I don't think probation is that big of a deal. K-State had its football program, track program, and women's basketball program under probation at the same time for completely different infractions and nothing happened to the school or any of those programs. You can get violations while on probation and not get hammered as long as you don't get something like LOIC or you don't lie to the NCAA.

You mentioned Rutgers, you meant Auburn right? I hope you don't think the NCAA should also play a role in how schools handle personnel decisions. You also mentioned Penn State which also falls outside of the scope of what they should be enforcing. The reason why their investigators can't find these things, like the Auburn case is that they don't/can't have the proper number of investigators they need for all of these schools. There's more media devoted to covering Kansas State athletics than there are NCAA investigators, how are they supposed to find all of this stuff? I don't think the NCAA is as ineffective as people make it out to be and I know the membership feels the same way. It's hilarious because for most people and the media the NCAA can't possibly win. There are very vocal media people who think the NCAA should do more; Penn State should have gotten punishment and should have gotten the death penalty for instance. Yet there are people who think they should do less; pay players, drop the Miami investigation, etc. Using the NCAA as a punching bag is pretty lazy and usually short-sighted.

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Re: :nono: Hoi
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2013, 12:03:28 PM »
Well at least we have Bill Fennelly.  :cry:

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2013, 12:58:40 PM »
Well at least we have Bill Fennelly.  :cry:

who?

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2013, 01:09:02 PM »
Hoiberg is just such a stud. Iowans do not deserve him.

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2013, 02:47:51 PM »
LPIQ here.  So does being on probation mean no bowls no NCAA tournaments for two years?

To give you an idea of how little probation means, Alabama was on probation when they won the championship in 2010