Author Topic: Hypothetical Coaching Search (Read 14861 times)

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:27:06 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 07:21:27 PM

They really got insanely lucky with Self.

How did UNC not go after Self instead of Roy?

catzacker · « **Reply #26 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:27:56 PM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 07:27:06 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
They really got insanely lucky with Self.

How did UNC not go after Self instead of Roy?

are you serious?

BostonPancake · « **Reply #27 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:29:21 PM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 07:27:06 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
They really got insanely lucky with Self.

How did UNC not go after Self instead of Roy?

At the time, Roy was far more highly regarded. Hell, if you asked a ku fan at that time if they wanted Roy or Bill, Roy would have won hands down. Now ask the same question and nobody would trade.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:33:37 PM »

Quote from: catzacker on March 24, 2013, 07:27:56 PM

Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
They really got insanely lucky with Self.

How did UNC not go after Self instead of Roy?

are you serious?

Yes. I understand Williams was the safer hire, but Self had a much higher upside. Look at his resume up to that point. He was 35-13 at Illinois, with 2 Elite 8's and a sweet 16 under his belt.

michigancat · « **Reply #29 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:37:55 PM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 07:33:37 PM

Quote from: catzacker on March 24, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
They really got insanely lucky with Self.

How did UNC not go after Self instead of Roy?

are you serious?

Yes. I understand Williams was the safer hire, but Self had a much higher upside. Look at his resume up to that point. He was 35-13 at Illinois, with 2 Elite 8's and a sweet 16 under his belt.

higher upside? What? Roy has two titles. Harder for upside to really be any higher.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:38:18 PM »

And not to mention he won the Big 10 regular season or Big 10 tournament every season he was at Illinois.

BostonPancake · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:39:47 PM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 07:33:37 PM

Quote from: catzacker on March 24, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
They really got insanely lucky with Self.

How did UNC not go after Self instead of Roy?

are you serious?

Yes. I understand Williams was the safer hire, but Self had a much higher upside. Look at his resume up to that point. He was 35-13 at Illinois, with 2 Elite 8's and a sweet 16 under his belt.

Roy had played for multiple national titles. The only "upside" Self had is his age.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:46:12 PM »

I mean, retrospect is 20/20, but looking at their resumes up to that point I see more upside in Self's, and yes, age obviously being a factor. He won everywhere he went with consistency, never had a down year. Good grief, he took Oral Roberts from 6-21 to 21-7, and Tulsa from 19-12 to 32-5. Also, I didn't realize he was an assistant at KU in the 80's.

kim carnes · « **Reply #33 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:48:22 PM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 06:51:06 PM

Stevens loses to a bunch of no names all the time. Smart is a much better coach.

He took Butler to two national championship games. BUTLER.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #34 on:** March 24, 2013, 07:51:15 PM »

Quote from: kim carnes on March 24, 2013, 07:48:22 PM

Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Stevens loses to a bunch of no names all the time. Smart is a much better coach.

He took Butler to two national championship games. BUTLER.

This. Not to mention dominating Smart hth. If Smart was white nobody would think he's better than Stevens.

catzacker · « **Reply #35 on:** March 24, 2013, 08:06:27 PM »

I like Sean Miller more than Stevens.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:02:25 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 07:21:27 PM

They really got insanely lucky with Self.

pales in comparison to the good fortune they got with Roy

michigancat · « **Reply #37 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:06:14 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 24, 2013, 07:51:15 PM

Quote from: kim carnes on March 24, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Stevens loses to a bunch of no names all the time. Smart is a much better coach.

He took Butler to two national championship games. BUTLER.

This. Not to mention dominating Smart hth. If Smart was white nobody would think he's better than Stevens.

smart dominated Stevens this year hth

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #38 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:12:08 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 10:06:14 PM

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 24, 2013, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: kim carnes on March 24, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Stevens loses to a bunch of no names all the time. Smart is a much better coach.

He took Butler to two national championship games. BUTLER.

This. Not to mention dominating Smart hth. If Smart was white nobody would think he's better than Stevens.

smart dominated Stevens this year hth

F4 >>>>> some game

OregonSmock · « **Reply #39 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:31:20 PM »

Izzo would get a serious look.

michigancat · « **Reply #40 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:33:42 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 24, 2013, 10:12:08 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 24, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 24, 2013, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: kim carnes on March 24, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: Jakesie60 on March 24, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Stevens loses to a bunch of no names all the time. Smart is a much better coach.

He took Butler to two national championship games. BUTLER.

This. Not to mention dominating Smart hth. If Smart was white nobody would think he's better than Stevens.

smart dominated Stevens this year hth

F4 >>>>> some game

Yeah, but I don't think the results of one game is enough to justify the statement "If Smart was white nobody would think he's better than Stevens." Keep in mind I said in this thread that I would take Stevens over Smart.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:35:56 PM »

Geno what's his name. UCONN guy

catzacker · « **Reply #42 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:38:24 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on March 24, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

Izzo would get a serious look.

man, he's only 58. I'd really hate it if you got him. That'd be two straight KU coaches that I couldn't possibly hate. Hire Mike Anderson or something.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:41:17 PM »

I would put Buzz at the top of my list - lack of high major experience for Stevens concerns me at a Blue Blood like Ku. Tad's recruiting might put him above Turg, which I find amusing.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #44 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:44:50 PM »

Weber?

CNS · « **Reply #45 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:53:00 PM »

Izzo wouldn't go.

PowercatPat · « **Reply #46 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:56:00 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on March 24, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

Izzo would get a serious look.

He would not leave MSU for KU.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:59:18 PM »

Hawks, is there somebody Bill would recommend? His coaching tree doesn't have a guy that comes to mind.

michigancat · « **Reply #48 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:59:50 PM »

there just aren't many good young coaches at the bcs level that you are pretty sure would succeed at Kansas. Buzz and Miller are about the only ones. Which kind of highlights how lucky they got with Self.

kougar24 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 24, 2013, 11:04:19 PM »

Great thread.

You can take Smart and Miller off the list. KU boosters hate both of them (and the feeling is mutual w/ Smart).

Buzz Williams and Tad Boyle are the most logical suggestions so far, imo.

Maybe Stevens.