Tempo drop Oh Tempo Drop, Tempo's gonna drop on you-ooo

[CHONGS]

At 62.5 this is the slowest KSU tempo KSU has played at in at least 10 years.

Also the worst defense since Wooldridge.

It's just numbers and not the same was Wins/Losses, but something perhaps of interest others.

[kso_FAN]

It was also oscar's slowest in 5 years. And his worst defense since he was at Southern Illinois.

[Panjandrum]

It was also oscar's slowest in 5 years. And his worst defense since he was at Southern Illinois.

I always thought defense was one of his "things"?

[0.42]

It was also oscar's slowest in 5 years. And his worst defense since he was at Southern Illinois.

You don't need defense in TITLETOWN.

kinda helps in the ncaa's though.

[kso_FAN]

It was also oscar's slowest in 5 years. And his worst defense since he was at Southern Illinois.

I always thought defense was one of his "things"?

Every year at Illinois it was .93 or better and Top 50 nationally.

[sys]

the defensive regression is concerning and strange.  some of it is just personnel decisions (including the inexplicable minute-robbing of jhr), but it was more than just that.

[ksupamplemousse]

It was also oscar's slowest in 5 years. And his worst defense since he was at Southern Illinois.

I always thought defense was one of his "things"?

When Shane is your 4, Gipson is your 5, and Will Spradling plays extended minutes at the 2 then your defense is not going to be very good.

[kso_FAN]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

[kim carnes]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

he'll be at UCLA next year.

[CHONGS]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

I hope so, but there was trend toward worse defense after 2007 for oscar.

84.7 -> 89.9 -> 86.5 -> 92.7 -> 91.0 -> 93.3 -> 94.7

[ksupamplemousse]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

Just curious, what about our personnel for next year leads you to believe we will be better defensively? We are losing two of our better defenders in Marty and JO.

[kim carnes]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

Just curious, what about our personnel for next year leads you to believe we will be better defensively? We are losing two of our better defenders in Marty and JO.

MI3 and JO never played

[ksupamplemousse]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

Just curious, what about our personnel for next year leads you to believe we will be better defensively? We are losing two of our better defenders in Marty and JO.

MI3 and JO never played

They didn't play enough. Next year they will ACTUALLY never play. Which is worse than not playing enough.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better)

based on what?

[kso_FAN]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

Just curious, what about our personnel for next year leads you to believe we will be better defensively? We are losing two of our better defenders in Marty and JO.

Nothing with looking at personnel honestly, just the likelihood that the numbers will move back toward the norm for oscar coached teams. Unless he has adjusted his system significantly enough to be better on offense and worse on defense.

I agree that JO and Tay are significant defensive losses.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

Just curious, what about our personnel for next year leads you to believe we will be better defensively? We are losing two of our better defenders in Marty and JO.

Nothing with looking at personnel honestly, just the likelihood that the numbers will move back toward the norm for oscar coached teams. Unless he has adjusted his system significantly enough to be better on offense and worse on defense.

I agree that JO and Tay are significant defensive losses.

so players don't matter? interesting take.

[ksupamplemousse]

Its much more likely next year's defense will move back to his norm (.93 ppp or better), but the offense will also come back down (1.07ish ppp).

Just curious, what about our personnel for next year leads you to believe we will be better defensively? We are losing two of our better defenders in Marty and JO.

Nothing with looking at personnel honestly, just the likelihood that the numbers will move back toward the norm for oscar coached teams. Unless he has adjusted his system significantly enough to be better on offense and worse on defense.

I agree that JO and Tay are significant defensive losses.

I think it's possible that our defensive numbers could be in line with this years, just because it may take a year for him to adjust to the Big XII's style of play. With our departures though, I can't see them being any better than this year.

[kso_FAN]

I think it's possible that our defensive numbers could be in line with this years, just because it may take a year for him to adjust to the Big XII's style of play. With our departures though, I can't see them being any better than this year.

Yes, this is part of it. Granted, it will take significant individual improvement and understanding of the Lowery/oscar system by the returners. And at least 1 (probably 2) of the freshman will need to be 50% minute contributors. Again, I'm going off of the fact that oscar's most consistent strength at Illinois was defensive efficiency, and especially eFG% defensive.

If he continues to play small, the numbers could be more like this year's for K-State though.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I think it's possible that our defensive numbers could be in line with this years, just because it may take a year for him to adjust to the Big XII's style of play. With our departures though, I can't see them being any better than this year.

Yes, this is part of it. Granted, it will take significant individual improvement and understanding of the Lowery/oscar system by the returners. And at least 1 (probably 2) of the freshman will need to be 50% minute contributors. Again, I'm going off of the fact that oscar's most consistent strength at Illinois was defensive efficiency, and especially eFG% defensive.

If he continues to play small, the numbers could be more like this year's for K-State though.

So you have seen chings numbers of what the Illinois defense trended the last five years he was there. You've had time to think about what we are losing vs returning. You still think it's "much more likely" that they are better on d next year? Tuck more likely? Tuck more tucky? Tuck tuck tucky...

[0.42]

I think it's possible that our defensive numbers could be in line with this years, just because it may take a year for him to adjust to the Big XII's style of play. With our departures though, I can't see them being any better than this year.

Yes, this is part of it. Granted, it will take significant individual improvement and understanding of the Lowery/oscar system by the returners. And at least 1 (probably 2) of the freshman will need to be 50% minute contributors. Again, I'm going off of the fact that oscar's most consistent strength at Illinois was defensive efficiency, and especially eFG% defensive.

If he continues to play small, the numbers could be more like this year's for K-State though.

So you have seen chings numbers of what the Illinois defense trended the last five years he was there. You've had time to think about what we are losing vs returning. You still think it's "much more likely" that they are better on d next year? Tuck more likely? Tuck more tucky? Tuck tuck tucky...

[CHONGS]

I think it's possible that our defensive numbers could be in line with this years, just because it may take a year for him to adjust to the Big XII's style of play. With our departures though, I can't see them being any better than this year.

Yes, this is part of it. Granted, it will take significant individual improvement and understanding of the Lowery/oscar system by the returners. And at least 1 (probably 2) of the freshman will need to be 50% minute contributors. Again, I'm going off of the fact that oscar's most consistent strength at Illinois was defensive efficiency, and especially eFG% defensive.

If he continues to play small, the numbers could be more like this year's for K-State though.

So you have seen chings numbers of what the Illinois defense trended the last five years he was there. You've had time to think about what we are losing vs returning. You still think it's "much more likely" that they are better on d next year? Tuck more likely? Tuck more tucky? Tuck tuck tucky...

be nice rick... no need for calling _FAN names.

[kim carnes]

daris should see a doctor for his anger.  really, its unacceptable.

[Cartierfor3]

Watching JO walk around, he looked like an old man on his death bed. It was painful. His lack of minutes is something I can't hold against oscar.

[kim carnes]

Watching JO walk around, he looked like an old man on his death bed. It was painful. His lack of minutes is something I can't hold against oscar.

yeah, he looks bad. 

[Mr Bread]

Watching JO walk around, he looked like an old man on his death bed. It was painful. His lack of minutes is something I can't hold against oscar.

yeah, he looks bad.

You know who doesn't look good when they walk?  Derrick Nix.  He's built like Madea.  He moves like a black man pretending to be an old black woman with a large fake butt.  It's rough.