K-State/Gonzaga rematch in Sweet Sixteen?

[MakeItRain]

Good God there is some stupidity in this thread. Kougar saved this thread from being used as puppy pee pads. Some of you clearly type while wearing drool bibs.

Gonzaga has two first round draft picks in their starting 5. There isn't a team in the country that can match up with their bigs, not one. Not even Duke. They are significantly better than any of the first three teams they will play and the bottom of the region will likely cannibalize itself. I'm picking them for the final four because I like good players.

[mocat]

Good God there is some stupidity in this thread. Kougar saved this thread from being used as puppy pee pads. Some of you clearly type while wearing drool bibs.

Gonzaga has two first round draft picks in their starting 5. There isn't a team in the country that can match up with their bigs, not one. Not even Duke. They are significantly better than any of the first three teams they will play and the bottom of the region will likely cannibalize itself. I'm picking them for the final four because I like good players.

Yeah I was waiting for somebody to do this. "Not as good as a typical one seed" is just staggering to see in writing

[hatingfrancisco]

Good God there is some stupidity in this thread. Kougar saved this thread from being used as puppy pee pads. Some of you clearly type while wearing drool bibs.

Gonzaga has two first round draft picks in their starting 5. There isn't a team in the country that can match up with their bigs, not one. Not even Duke. They are significantly better than any of the first three teams they will play and the bottom of the region will likely cannibalize itself. I'm picking them for the final four because I like good players.

I love how you come across as knowing nothing about basketball on here just to keep the BBS'ing reasonable...  Thanks for that...
 

[420seriouscat69]

Good God there is some stupidity in this thread. Kougar saved this thread from being used as puppy pee pads. Some of you clearly type while wearing drool bibs.

Gonzaga has two first round draft picks in their starting 5. There isn't a team in the country that can match up with their bigs, not one. Not even Duke. They are significantly better than any of the first three teams they will play and the bottom of the region will likely cannibalize itself. I'm picking them for the final four because I like good players.

I goes you missed my post, bruh!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Good God there is some stupidity in this thread. Kougar saved this thread from being used as puppy pee pads. Some of you clearly type while wearing drool bibs.

Gonzaga has two first round draft picks in their starting 5. There isn't a team in the country that can match up with their bigs, not one. Not even Duke. They are significantly better than any of the first three teams they will play and the bottom of the region will likely cannibalize itself. I'm picking them for the final four because I like good players.

We are the best team they have played all year. Miami and Duke are better teams than they are, and if we were seeding these teams based upon who they've actually beaten, they should be about a 3 seed.

[kougar24]

We are the best team they have played all year.

Their win over Okie Light in Stillwater is better than their win over us in Seattle.

[Rage Against the McKee]

We are the best team they have played all year.

Their win over Okie Light in Stillwater is better than their win over us in Seattle.

Sure, but we are the better team than OSU.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Good God there is some stupidity in this thread. Kougar saved this thread from being used as puppy pee pads. Some of you clearly type while wearing drool bibs.

Gonzaga has two first round draft picks in their starting 5. There isn't a team in the country that can match up with their bigs, not one. Not even Duke. They are significantly better than any of the first three teams they will play and the bottom of the region will likely cannibalize itself. I'm picking them for the final four because I like good players.

Can't argue with any of this... I have a hard time believing that the Zags will wear the 1 seed very well.  It's just a ton of pressure which is not made any easier with a step up in class as related to the competition they've faced since beating Okie Lite.

[kougar24]

We are the best team they have played all year.

Their win over Okie Light in Stillwater is better than their win over us in Seattle.

Sure, but we are the better team than OSU.

ok.

[MakeItRain]

if we were seeding these teams based upon who they've actually beaten, they should be about a 3 seed.

Why would we or anyone else do that? I may be wrong but I feel the best way to evaluate how good a team is would be to actually evaluate the team instead of their opponents. That may be a bit out there though.

[mocat]

if we were seeding these teams based upon who they've actually beaten, they should be about a 3 seed.

Why would we or anyone else do that? I may be wrong but I feel the best way to evaluate how good a team is would be to actually evaluate the team instead of their opponents. That may be a bit out there though.

Well you can't ignore one or the other. But 31-2 with wins over LITERALLY half the big 12 deserves a 1 seed

[Rage Against the McKee]

if we were seeding these teams based upon who they've actually beaten, they should be about a 3 seed.

Why would we or anyone else do that? I may be wrong but I feel the best way to evaluate how good a team is would be to actually evaluate the team instead of their opponents. That may be a bit out there though.

Well you can't ignore one or the other. But 31-2 with wins over LITERALLY half the big 12 deserves a 1 seed

Kansas State would have run the table on their conference schedule and we have wins over 80% of the Big 12.

[kougar24]

if we were seeding these teams based upon who they've actually beaten, they should be about a 3 seed.

Why would we or anyone else do that? I may be wrong but I feel the best way to evaluate how good a team is would be to actually evaluate the team instead of their opponents. That may be a bit out there though.

Well you can't ignore one or the other. But 31-2 with wins over LITERALLY half the big 12 deserves a 1 seed

Kansas State would have run the table on their conference schedule and we have wins over 80% of the Big 12.

Kansas State got to settle the matter by playing Gonzaga head-to-head, and lost by a billion.

[Rage Against the McKee]

if we were seeding these teams based upon who they've actually beaten, they should be about a 3 seed.

Why would we or anyone else do that? I may be wrong but I feel the best way to evaluate how good a team is would be to actually evaluate the team instead of their opponents. That may be a bit out there though.

Well you can't ignore one or the other. But 31-2 with wins over LITERALLY half the big 12 deserves a 1 seed

Kansas State would have run the table on their conference schedule and we have wins over 80% of the Big 12.

Kansas State got to settle the matter by playing Gonzaga head-to-head, and lost by a billion.

People don't think Kansas State should be a 1 seed, either. Compare what Gonzaga did to what Miami did. Ohio State is the only 2 seed I think Gonzaga might be better than, and I suspect that they are not.

[pissclams]

nuts kicked absolutely pounding faces in this thread

[mocat]

What does NK have against Gonzaga, and/or what reason does he have to believe they are not deserving of the 1 seed?

[pissclams]

What does NK have against Gonzaga, and/or what reason does he have to believe they are not deserving of the 1 seed?

did you forget how to read this morning?

[catzacker]

I suppose if you want to argue that Gonzaga should be a 2, that’s fine.  But saying they aren’t good or that they are going to get bounced early is, imo, inaccurate.  If you look at who Gonzaga has beaten (and who they’ve lost to) as well as their team, it stacks up.  They’ve beaten 6 tourney teams (2 losses only to tourney teams) – in comparison, KU has beaten 8 (w/ 2 of its losses coming to non tourney teams, one of which was just awful). 

I’ll note that The difference is that KU got to beat up on crappy tourney teams multiple times (ISU 3x, KSU 3x) so their “total” wins against tourney teams are higher – which you could assume Gonzaga would have done as well, imo.  As MiR pointed out, they have talent on their team, especially on their frontline.  Sure, you could put them on the 2 line, but they aren’t some fraud.

[kougar24]

if we were seeding these teams based upon who they've actually beaten, they should be about a 3 seed.

Why would we or anyone else do that? I may be wrong but I feel the best way to evaluate how good a team is would be to actually evaluate the team instead of their opponents. That may be a bit out there though.

Well you can't ignore one or the other. But 31-2 with wins over LITERALLY half the big 12 deserves a 1 seed

Kansas State would have run the table on their conference schedule and we have wins over 80% of the Big 12.

Kansas State got to settle the matter by playing Gonzaga head-to-head, and lost by a billion.

People don't think Kansas State should be a 1 seed, either. Compare what Gonzaga did to what Miami did. Ohio State is the only 2 seed I think Gonzaga might be better than, and I suspect that they are not.

It comes down to which you value more: good wins (with bad losses) or lack of bad losses.

Devil you know vs. the devil you don't.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What does NK have against Gonzaga, and/or what reason does he have to believe they are not deserving of the 1 seed?

I don't have anything against Gonzaga, other than they haven't played a good team in 2013. The last time they played somebody good (OSU), Michigan, Arizona, and Duke were all undefeated. These teams would still be undefeated if they played the garbage schedule that Gonzaga has faced since the new year. I just don't see how you can say that a team that looked great 3 months ago is still great today despite not playing anybody. I would give Gonzaga a 3 seed.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I suppose if you want to argue that Gonzaga should be a 2, that’s fine.  But saying they aren’t good or that they are going to get bounced early is, imo, inaccurate.  If you look at who Gonzaga has beaten (and who they’ve lost to) as well as their team, it stacks up.  They’ve beaten 6 tourney teams (2 losses only to tourney teams) – in comparison, KU has beaten 8 (w/ 2 of its losses coming to non tourney teams, one of which was just awful). 

I’ll note that The difference is that KU got to beat up on crappy tourney teams multiple times (ISU 3x, KSU 3x) so their “total” wins against tourney teams are higher – which you could assume Gonzaga would have done as well, imo.  As MiR pointed out, they have talent on their team, especially on their frontline.  Sure, you could put them on the 2 line, but they aren’t some fraud.

Why do you assume that Gonzaga would have beaten "crappy tourney teams" like 4 seed KSU 3 times when they got blown out by 7 seed Illinois? The last time Gonzaga played a relevant team, I thought Michigan was the best team in the country. That has proven not to be the case, so maybe Gonzaga isn't still as good as we all think they are, either.

[catzacker]

Why would you assume that Kansas would beat anyone after they lost to TCU or got actually blown out by Baylor?

And Duke has played one relevant team (twice) all conference. 

[kslim]

good grief

nice work beems

[GCJayhawker]

Smock = BITB

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why would you assume that Kansas would beat anyone after they lost to TCU or got actually blown out by Baylor?

I would assume that because their roster is stacked with NBA talent and they have more quality wins than any other team. I would give them the #1 overall seed. The losses don't really bother me at all. I think it's better to beat good teams and lose to bad teams than it is to beat bad teams and lose to good teams.