Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)

[Cartierfor3]

Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?

Including, but not limited to, the gems within the "5 fouls to zip" thread. I understand what you're doing. You want to make the point that I can't, from memory, tell you the names of all the whiny posters. But I usually browse this forum for a few minutes when we play you guys and it's usually pretty complain-y. Tonight was a special kind of dumb though; I felt compelled to post.

Special kind of dumb

[Lawrence]

Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?

Including, but not limited to, the gems within the "5 fouls to zip" thread. I understand what you're doing. You want to make the point that I can't, from memory, tell you the names of all the whiny posters. But I usually browse this forum for a few minutes when we play you guys and it's usually pretty complain-y. Tonight was a special kind of dumb though; I felt compelled to post.

Special kind of dumb

I guess I don't get the joke. Oh well.

[EMAWzified]

Yes we know, you felt compelled to post tonight because today the refs were especially egregious, so much so that even you subconsciously acknowledge it by your persistence here.
We understand. But you're tiresome. Go away or find something entertaining to post.

[yoman]

On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.

It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.

KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post: 

So while dismissing my post you actually confirmed my point that you were receiving preferential treatment. Nice work.  At least you're on the road to recovery, the first step is admittance.

Nope. Dismissed the idiotic bits. Admitted that calls can be missed. Refs aren't infallible. Everyone knows that. You guys could have had another one by that point or one less. We could have had one or two. Officiating isn't a perfect science. It requires judgment calls, just like umpiring. No preferential treatment.

Tell me--because I truly don't know--do NC State fans act this way toward Duke or Carolina? Do SEC teams' fans act this way towards Kentucky? Do they too not understand that they are just consistently overmatched, or are they more realistic, admit that it isn't them against the world?

No one here is saying that KU isn't more talented or shouldn't have won this game. We have entire threads devoted to that, including one titled "Weber May Never Beat KU In His Time Here." We are also saying that the officials favor KU. The two events are unrelated. I do find it hilarious that you are seeking some form of validation on a K-State website after a KU victory though.

[Lawrence]

On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.

It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.

KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post: 

So while dismissing my post you actually confirmed my point that you were receiving preferential treatment. Nice work.  At least you're on the road to recovery, the first step is admittance.

Nope. Dismissed the idiotic bits. Admitted that calls can be missed. Refs aren't infallible. Everyone knows that. You guys could have had another one by that point or one less. We could have had one or two. Officiating isn't a perfect science. It requires judgment calls, just like umpiring. No preferential treatment.

Tell me--because I truly don't know--do NC State fans act this way toward Duke or Carolina? Do SEC teams' fans act this way towards Kentucky? Do they too not understand that they are just consistently overmatched, or are they more realistic, admit that it isn't them against the world?

No one here is saying that KU isn't more talented or shouldn't have won this game. We have entire threads devoted to that, including one titled "Weber May Never Beat KU In His Time Here." We are also saying that the officials favor KU. The two events are unrelated. I do find it hilarious that you are seeking some form of validation on a K-State website after a KU victory though.

Whatever you say, sir.

[Ptolemy]

The part of this issue that KU fans are unable to grasp is not that we think KU commits fouls that are not called or that KState is called for fouls that do not occur. We all agree that these refs are horrible. They are old, often out of position, and with those limitations often call fouls that they think "must have happened" because they are unable to discern the actual activity upon initial observance. 

The problem is that KState, and many of KU's opponents, get called for fouls for contact that KU does routinely.  KU gets the "benefit of the doubt" from an old and out of place officials because they typically have better athletes and more acclaimed players. 

That's the simple reality.

But it's not the reason KState lost the game.  The Cats played afraid, not all of them, but enough of them.  that's all it took.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?

Including, but not limited to, the gems within the "5 fouls to zip" thread. I understand what you're doing. You want to make the point that I can't, from memory, tell you the names of all the whiny posters. But I usually browse this forum for a few minutes when we play you guys and it's usually pretty complain-y. Tonight was a special kind of dumb though; I felt compelled to post.

Well, as the guy who started that thread, that's not what it's about. In fact, as I point out in that thread, KU is a good team that capitalizes on the gifts bestowed upon them by the officials. Of course we could have, and should have, played better, and of course that played a roll in the loss. This does not change the fact that the officiating was stacked in KU's favor.

Edit: I just realized that something like 3 others posters just made exactly the same point. And of course, none of that will convince you, but I sure hope you've enjoyed your visit to goEMAW and found some validation here.

[Shacks]

Nope. Dismissed the idiotic bits. Admitted that calls can be missed. Refs aren't infallible. Everyone knows that. You guys could have had another one by that point or one less. We could have had one or two. Officiating isn't a perfect science. It requires judgment calls, just like umpiring. No preferential treatment.

In a vacuum, yeah, one or two fouls either way won't change the outcome of a double-digit game.  But here's the thing: when a game starts off with one team racking up six fouls and the other team isn't whistled for things that should be fouls during that same time span, it has a big impact on the rest of the game.  The team with the fouls ends up with one or two of their starters in early foul trouble and they have to play a little more tentative on defense while the team that's not getting fouled can play tenacious defense and aggressive offense because they know the other team will be called for a foul if they so much as touch the guy with the ball.  This chain of events happens more often than not when K-State plays KU.

[mcmwcat]

KU fan should own it like a boss

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[Cire]

When Taylor blocked rod Taylor's body made contact with rod first.   That type of no call is what gets I'm our players heads more than anything else.   You could see it all over their body language as the game went on.   Maybe that comes from the coach

[OregonSmock]

KU is just better at men's basketball than K-State.  Way better.  The officials have nothing to do with it. 

[Cire]

Good luck getting those types of calls In the tourney beemer

[ChiComCat]

Didn't read the whole thread.  Looked at the two statistical postings Lawrence made.  Came to the conclusion that he doesn't understand statistics if he thinks those help his cause.

[OregonSmock]

Good luck getting those types of calls In the tourney beemer

KU has beaten K-State 47 of the last 50 times.  You're saying it's because of officiating? 


 

[Cire]

I predict lots of THEY AREN'T LETTING US PLAY BASKETBALL!  Posts on phog next week


No ksu didn't lose because of officiating.   It made the game terrible

[kstofer]

Good luck getting those types of calls In the tourney beemer

KU has beaten K-State 47 of the last 50 times.  You're saying it's because of officiating? 


 

Straw man.

[timhawk]

When Taylor blocked rod Taylor's body made contact with rod first.   That type of no call is what gets I'm our players heads more than anything else.   You could see it all over their body language as the game went on.   Maybe that comes from the coach

the defense is allowed his space too...as long as he goes straight up it's not a foul...and that block was alllll ball

[_33]

We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

[GoodForAnother]

it's sad how so many KU fans live in complete denial. if I were a hawker I would embrace it and brag about the calls that they get.

[timhawk]

We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

[0.42]

We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

my god you're awful at this.

[_33]

We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

Hey, it was my KU buddy who said it, not me.  My other KU buddy said we would have won one game, but not two.

[timhawk]

We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

Hey, it was my KU buddy who said it, not me.  My other KU buddy said we would have won one game, but not two.

yet you lost all three, get over it.what about the previous 50 games against Kstate? you're 3-47 in that span....

[_33]

We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

Hey, it was my KU buddy who said it, not me.  My other KU buddy said we would have won one game, but not two.

yet you lost all three, get over it.what about the previous 50 games against Kstate? you're 3-47 in that span....

My KU buddy (1st one) thought that the record in the previous 50 games would be something like 21-29 with neutral officiating.  So obviously he still thought KU was superior but not by quite as much.

[GoodForAnother]

your KU buddy seems very smart