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[MikeNelson]

OSU shooting a much higher percentage wasn't so much a matter of luck, imo.  I think it was more a matter of layups/dunks they got all afternoon

They also hit just about every mid-range jumper they took.  The guy that really beat us in that game was Cobbins.  Nash, Smart, and Brown can score irregardless of the defense.  Cobbins going 4-7 and impacting the game the way he did on the glass and via the blocked shot was huge, and hopefully correctable.

[ksupamplemousse]

Being a pussy and a ton of miscommunication will be more affective than whatever the hell our strategy was last Saturday. If allow the other team to drive the lane 100 times untouched for a lay-up/dunk in one game, then you need to change your defense, no matter how last minute it may be.

Our bigs were obviously told to flash out and show a double on their guards last saturday, by the time our big man got halfway out to their guards, the ball was already in the post being dunked. We shouldn't be helping against OSU unless our guards get beat off the dribble, our bigs are just too slow to recover. That should eliminate about half of the wide open dunks they got last saturday, and it forces them to be more of a jumpshooting team. If OSU beats us by hitting guarded Js, then so be it.

[Cartierfor3]

Don't call timeout after a made 3 when we're on a good stretch and up 8. Boom Strategized.

[Belvis Noland]

Why are we favored? 

TIA. 

[CNS]

Why are we favored? 

TIA.

Prob a home proximity thing. 

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Being a pussy and a ton of miscommunication will be more affective than whatever the hell our strategy was last Saturday. If allow the other team to drive the lane 100 times untouched for a lay-up/dunk in one game, then you need to change your defense, no matter how last minute it may be.

Our bigs were obviously told to flash out and show a double on their guards last saturday, by the time our big man got halfway out to their guards, the ball was already in the post being dunked. We shouldn't be helping against OSU unless our guards get beat off the dribble, our bigs are just too slow to recover. That should eliminate about half of the wide open dunks they got last saturday, and it forces them to be more of a jumpshooting team. If OSU beats us by hitting guarded Js, then so be it.

the problem wasn't that we were too slow to recover, the problem was that we were too slow hedging the screens.  this was a big contributor to our foul trouble

edit:  also, we got beat off the dribble by Nash/Smart quite a bit without any screens, so yea, i guess you are saying we need to help better

[Cartierfor3]

Does OSU having to play the late game and try hard last night have an impact?

[MadCat]

Does OSU having to play the late game and try hard last night have an impact?

I thought they kind of coasted at the end there. 

[Cartierfor3]

Does OSU having to play the late game and try hard last night have an impact?

I thought they kind of coasted at the end there. 

They were hitting free throws to win with 2.8 seconds left, we were playing all the players I've never heard of on our team (random white guy, random tall guy, etc.) with like 3 minutes left.

[kso_FAN]

I don't think it matters too much in NCAA format, with an off day in between. But in back to back days I think it could have a bit of an impact. OSU is not a deep team.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

I don't think it matters too much in NCAA format, with an off day in between. But in back to back days I think it could have a bit of an impact. OSU is not a deep team.

 

[KSNimrod]

I'm pretty sure I read that Webber focuses on the offense and Lowry handles the defense.  If we have a head-coach level guy that focuses primarily on defense is it crazy to wonder why we couldn't work SOME on a zone scheme through the course of a season?

[Stevesie60]

Why are we favored? 

TIA. 

Warren says it opened as a pick 'em and has moved to -1.5/-2.

[ChiComCat]

I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man.  You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts. 

[Powercat Posse]

A couple of OK St stat tidbits=

Smart is only 6 of his last 28 from 3pt
Brown is  10 of his last 34 from 3pt
Forte was 2-3 yday, but prior to that he was 9 of his 59 from 3pt away from GIA
Last 6 games OK ST  is just over 25% OR.    They havent OR very good against us in the 2 games
I dont think he will have as much success, but if Nash is anywhere close to 10-12 FG like he was in Stillwater, i am gonna punch someone in the arm real hard tonight

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man.  You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts.

I agree with this 100%. Especially at the end of the game, I think if the other coach draws up a play you should switch your defense.

That's what you do in football, show one play then change it after the TO. Why not do the same in basketball?

Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.

That being said... the rest of Oklahoma State is much better than Travis Releford's 4 supporting white boys at Bishop Miege.

Just a thought/glory days story from me 

[Sandstone Outcropping]

I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man.  You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts.

I agree with this 100%. Especially at the end of the game, I think if the other coach draws up a play you should switch your defense.

That's what you do in football, show one play then change it after the TO. Why not do the same in basketball?

Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.

That being said... the rest of Oklahoma State is much better than Travis Releford's 4 supporting white boys at Bishop Miege.

Just a thought/glory days story from me 

I enjoyed that.

[SwiftCat]

Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.

This is a pretty good story. Who should we Box and 1? Smart? Brown?

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.

This is a pretty good story. Who should we Box and 1? Smart? Brown?

If I were oscar and didn't give a crap about my job I would Diamond and 1 Smart to start the game with Tay on him, Angel up top, Shane and Rod on the wings, and JO down low.

Obviously just spit balling here, I wouldn't go with this the whole game but for a few minutes it would scare the living piss out of them. Also would keep Will on the bench so he couldn't get burned man to man.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Probably should mention that this is all just for fun. If I thought a Diamond and 1 was a good way to win a game I would expect to get PI'ed every time I logged onto this board.

[EMAWmeister]

I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man.  You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts.

I agree with this 100%. Especially at the end of the game, I think if the other coach draws up a play you should switch your defense.

That's what you do in football, show one play then change it after the TO. Why not do the same in basketball?

Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.

That being said... the rest of Oklahoma State is much better than Travis Releford's 4 supporting white boys at Bishop Miege.

Just a thought/glory days story from me 

No one was better at hard fouling Travis Releford than Clinton Mann. No one.

[ksucrcoop]

Why can't we install a zone defense for tonight? Is it really that hard?

If you haven't worked on it at all (and we haven't), yes. There is a lot of communication that goes on in a zone defense between players that takes practice and game reps.

We should open up the first few possessions in zone. Just to eff with em.

[AppleJack]

[SwiftCat]

Probably should mention that this is all just for fun. If I thought a Diamond and 1 was a good way to win a game I would expect to get PI'ed every time I logged onto this board.

Yeah. I know. I'm with you. But I just love the idea of seeing Marcus getting so mad he just stops his foot on the ground he can't take it anymore because we are sticking to him like glue.

[Emo EMAW]

not having or teaching a zone is beyond f'ng stupid.  i seriously can't believe coaches are that dumb.  even frank had a zone.  remember how dumb he is?

+1

I really think it can help to throw out a new look sometimes.