Without getting defensive

[Deez Nutz]

'09 was such a loser year. I always forget that year happened.

I guess you must not like losers who score 40 points in a single game at Texas like Denis Clemente. 

[kso_FAN]

Last 6 years defense:

[steve dave]

'09 was such a loser year. I always forget that year happened.

I guess you must not like losers who score 40 points in a single game at Texas like Denis Clemente.

Oh I loved it. I just get really mad because we had good pieces and just couldn't make it work.

[kougar24]

10 and 12 were fantastic defenses.

As far as the biggest differences; opponents shoot better on 2s and we don't force as many TOs as Frank's teams in general, and especially those 2 great defenses.

But at the end of the day, we still win a lot because out offense is a lot more efficient. I'm not sure why much better offense doesn't get as much credit as worse defense gets critiqued. Its clear to me we can still win the way we are playing.

[michigancat]

why can't we just always have a boss defense and boss offense like 2010?

[The Whale]

Seems like we always give up more easy buckets when Nino is in - in large part because he get out further trying to help with screens, leaving his man wide open running towards the basket.

[Belvis Noland]

If we were excellent at both offense and defense we'd probably be a top 5 team every year.  So, why doesn't Weber just make this a priority? 

[PoetWarrior]

Angel and Will get beat by ball handlers.

[KanSt43]

Post defense could use a little improvement, but backcourt defense is fantastic

Agree for the most part.

[cork_sniffer]

spradling can't guard anyone decent except maybe Heslip and gipson is too short to really alter any shots around the rim.  Plus, true power forwards have their way with Shane at times.  All of this adds up to some inconsistent defensive play depending on the lineup.  some games they are good and some they are average. 

[MakeItRain]

1.02 PPP is completely horrendous, not sure how our record doesn't resembles UTs. Man we suck, two straight losses coming. 1.02, completely shameful, unprecedented for a top 15 team. I'm embarrassed.

[Emo EMAW]

We gave up too many offensive rebounds last night.

[kso_FAN]

We gave up too many offensive rebounds last night.

We did, but still had the OR% advantage.

[cork_sniffer]

We gave up too many offensive rebounds last night.

typical problem running 4 out 1 in motion.

[catzacker]

I’m just confused why (from an EFF standpoint) the same group of guys can be .05 worse on defense and .10 better on defense in just one year.  I’m confused as to why this has occurred, especially considering that the “offense” was so hard to learn or whatever.  I’d expect both numbers to be “better” than the previous year.

I think our defense is why we won’t get past the first weekend on the Tournament, especially if we’re a #4 seed. 

[kso_FAN]

I’m just confused why (from an EFF standpoint) the same group of guys can be .05 worse on defense and .10 better on defense in just one year.  I’m confused as to why this has occurred, especially considering that the “offense” was so hard to learn or whatever.  I’d expect both numbers to be “better” than the previous year.

I think our defense is why we won’t get past the first weekend on the Tournament, especially if we’re a #4 seed. 

Really?

There is only so much practice time available, and its obvious to me this staff has spent a ton of time on the offense and offensive skill work. Its no surprise that the defense has slipped a bit. I'm not surprised by offensive improvement, but I am by the amount of offensive improvement.

Plus the personnel decisions; not playing 2 bigs has had a great effect on dboarding and opponents 2PT% because of our ability to protect the rim. But IMO the offensive improvement has more than offset those negatives so it was a good move.

Also the mentality of this staff is just different, and that mentality has carried over and contributed to the offensive improvement (and overall consistency) just as Frank and his staff's mentality carried over to defense, effort, and overall JYC-ness.

[michigancat]

I’m just confused why (from an EFF standpoint) the same group of guys can be .05 worse on defense and .10 better on defense in just one year.  I’m confused as to why this has occurred, especially considering that the “offense” was so hard to learn or whatever.  I’d expect both numbers to be “better” than the previous year.

I think our defense is why we won’t get past the first weekend on the Tournament, especially if we’re a #4 seed. 

sys had a good point, going small probably had a lot to do with it. We essentially replaced Samuels/JO/Gip's minutes at the 4 with Shane's.

[Stevesie60]

I enjoyed the thread title. We can't get defensive, zacker, we don't know how!!

[catzacker]

The offensive improvement seems explainable, but not the defensive performance (or lack thereof).  Like, if I took a Physical Education teacher and taught him Math (while still having him train a bit in P.E.), I’d expect him to teach algebra well (but would be pleasantly surprised that he progressed enough to teach calculus), but be concerned that he forgot how to organize a kick ball tournament. 

[Cire]

how about matt dougherty saying our defense was solid and using ppg to back it up last night?

['taterblast]

i'm going to keep it simple stupid and look at their 49 and say we played good enough defense.

[Belvis Noland]

I also think our offensive rebounding issues were the product of a zone defense and increased perimeter shot attempts.   

[kso_FAN]

how about matt dougherty saying our defense was solid and using ppg to back it up last night?

It was dumb, though we aren't quite in the bottom half of the league.

And even though it didn't look pretty or whatever, last night's defense was really good. .86 PPP is really good, even against Texas.

[catzacker]

man, it's like the coaches read the board. 

hey, oscar, you can't beat ku.

[jtksu]

man, it's like the coaches read the board. 

hey, oscar, you can't beat ku.

Shut up, Zacker. You're almost as annoying at Kim Carnes.