The last time oscar was in his first year with a new team

[pissclams]

do you really mean to tell me you're claiming townsend doesn't have a shady past and hasn't been paying players for years?

I'm not claiming that.  I was referring to your claim he paid Sherron, no proof of that happening.  Before you ask, yes I have read your long post about the history of bill Self's cheating and in there there is no proof other than your speculation about Sherron.

ya i guess you're right.  i don't have a picture of the scumbag handing sherron a bag of cash.

it makes complete sense that when bill self was looking for an assistant it was townsend's impeccable employment history that made him so attractive.

[GCJayhawker]

do you really mean to tell me you're claiming townsend doesn't have a shady past and hasn't been paying players for years?

I'm not claiming that.  I was referring to your claim he paid Sherron, no proof of that happening.  Before you ask, yes I have read your long post about the history of bill Self's cheating and in there there is no proof other than your speculation about Sherron.

ya i guess you're right.  i don't have a picture of the scumbag handing sherron a bag of cash.

it makes complete sense that when bill self was looking for an assistant it was townsend's impeccable employment history that made him so attractive.

All I am saying is that all of this with Sherron is purely speculative.  Nothing wrong with having suspicions, but to try and pass them off as fact when there is no evidence is pretty petty and disingenuous in my mind.

[Emo EMAW]

Why doesn't KU embrace their MCMW?  I don't get it.

[GCJayhawker]

Why doesn't KU embrace their MCMW?  I don't get it.

Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know the acronym.

[Emo EMAW]

more criminals more wins

Basically that if you're willing to cheat to win then you want to win pretty rough ridin' bad, which (to me) is an honorable thing.

[pissclams]

do you really mean to tell me you're claiming townsend doesn't have a shady past and hasn't been paying players for years?

I'm not claiming that.  I was referring to your claim he paid Sherron, no proof of that happening.  Before you ask, yes I have read your long post about the history of bill Self's cheating and in there there is no proof other than your speculation about Sherron.

ya i guess you're right.  i don't have a picture of the scumbag handing sherron a bag of cash.

it makes complete sense that when bill self was looking for an assistant it was townsend's impeccable employment history that made him so attractive.

All I am saying is that all of this with Sherron is purely speculative.  Nothing wrong with having suspicions, but to try and pass them off as fact when there is no evidence is pretty petty and disingenuous in my mind.

the oscar/sherron/aau crap is speculative.  the idea that oscar was unable to recruit local talent is wrong. in 2011 he signed a class ranked 11th nationally, including 4 top 100's, all from the chicago area.

there's no disputing kurt townsend's history and there's nothing petty or disingenuous about acknowledging it.

[puniraptor]

MEANS
MOTIVE
OPPORTUNITY
JUDGEMENT: GUILTY
SENTENCE: JUDGE

[GCJayhawker]

do you really mean to tell me you're claiming townsend doesn't have a shady past and hasn't been paying players for years?

I'm not claiming that.  I was referring to your claim he paid Sherron, no proof of that happening.  Before you ask, yes I have read your long post about the history of bill Self's cheating and in there there is no proof other than your speculation about Sherron.

ya i guess you're right.  i don't have a picture of the scumbag handing sherron a bag of cash.

it makes complete sense that when bill self was looking for an assistant it was townsend's impeccable employment history that made him so attractive.

All I am saying is that all of this with Sherron is purely speculative.  Nothing wrong with having suspicions, but to try and pass them off as fact when there is no evidence is pretty petty and disingenuous in my mind.

the oscar/sherron/aau crap is speculative.  the idea that oscar was unable to recruit local talent is wrong. in 2011 he signed a class ranked 11th nationally, including 4 top 100's, all from the chicago area.

there's no disputing kurt townsend's history and there's nothing petty or disingenuous about acknowledging it.

I think the biggest issue with Weber at Illinois was the inconsistencies of signing solid classes.  No doubt the 2011 was good, you can see that in their play this year to an extent.  Weber had some bad recruiting years that eventually cost him his job.  He can coach them up all he wants, but without better talent the ceiling is only so high.

[pissclams]

only so high as the big 12 championship? 

[GCJayhawker]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

[kso_FAN]

“I guess I’m human, and it hurts, or it bothers you a little bit,” he says of such critique. “This is my team now, and these are our players. Nobody else is doing anything with them, and you’re doing something with them, so it hurts. So you do what you can do."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/12/4116659/k-states-weber-has-taken-heat.html##storylink=cpy

[pissclams]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

we already established that he can recruit.  you agreed.  see his 2011, 2010, and 2009 classes, all top 15 classes.

and don't you feel stupid questioning whether or not a guy can coach a team of players recruited by guy a versus guy b?  how stupid of a question is that?  i realize it's been regurgitated incessantly since the weber hire by ku fans but its an incredibly illogical talking point.

what do you know about "martin's recruiting classes" ?  angel, frank's best recruit outside of the dca pipe, was a 3 star.  frank was no recruiter, by any measure.

oscar can coach, but he can't coach his own players
oscar can recruit, but he can't recruit to k-state

the constant evolution of KU fan's talking points is both sad and hilarious.  it's amazing how badly ku fans want us to fail.

[GCJayhawker]

So Weber had no faults at Illinois? He was just the unfortunate victim of some hideous circumstances that in no way are related to any shortcomings as a coach?  Is that what you are saying?

[ksu101]

Pickup games often ended in bruises or fights. Kids in Milwaukee soon understood that Lou Weber’s middle son would not back down from a challenge.

 

 

[pissclams]

i don't think i typed that, but if i did, i'm sure you can point out where and when i did.

[GCJayhawker]

i don't think i typed that, but if i did, i'm sure you can point out where and when i did.

I was being a bit facetious.  My point was that have pointed out oscar Weber recruited talent to Illinois and you also have said that he is a good strategy coach.  So why did he get fired at Illinois? Either he couldn't coach the talent he had effectively or the recruiting rankings on players he signed were off and those players were not as talented as the class ranking made it seem.  Which is is?

[OregonSmock]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

we already established that he can recruit.  you agreed.  see his 2011, 2010, and 2009 classes, all top 15 classes.

and don't you feel stupid questioning whether or not a guy can coach a team of players recruited by guy a versus guy b?  how stupid of a question is that?  i realize it's been regurgitated incessantly since the weber hire by ku fans but its an incredibly illogical talking point.

what do you know about "martin's recruiting classes" ?  angel, frank's best recruit outside of the dca pipe, was a 3 star.  frank was no recruiter, by any measure.

oscar can coach, but he can't coach his own players
oscar can recruit, but he can't recruit to k-state

the constant evolution of KU fan's talking points is both sad and hilarious.  it's amazing how badly ku fans want us to fail.

Weber is a shitty recruiter and he sucked ass at Illinois.  Quit going full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

[pissclams]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

we already established that he can recruit.  you agreed.  see his 2011, 2010, and 2009 classes, all top 15 classes.

and don't you feel stupid questioning whether or not a guy can coach a team of players recruited by guy a versus guy b?  how stupid of a question is that?  i realize it's been regurgitated incessantly since the weber hire by ku fans but its an incredibly illogical talking point.

what do you know about "martin's recruiting classes" ?  angel, frank's best recruit outside of the dca pipe, was a 3 star.  frank was no recruiter, by any measure.

oscar can coach, but he can't coach his own players
oscar can recruit, but he can't recruit to k-state

the constant evolution of KU fan's talking points is both sad and hilarious.  it's amazing how badly ku fans want us to fail.

Weber is a shitty recruiter and he sucked ass at Illinois.  Quit going full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

#butthurt

[OregonSmock]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

we already established that he can recruit.  you agreed.  see his 2011, 2010, and 2009 classes, all top 15 classes.

and don't you feel stupid questioning whether or not a guy can coach a team of players recruited by guy a versus guy b?  how stupid of a question is that?  i realize it's been regurgitated incessantly since the weber hire by ku fans but its an incredibly illogical talking point.

what do you know about "martin's recruiting classes" ?  angel, frank's best recruit outside of the dca pipe, was a 3 star.  frank was no recruiter, by any measure.

oscar can coach, but he can't coach his own players
oscar can recruit, but he can't recruit to k-state

the constant evolution of KU fan's talking points is both sad and hilarious.  it's amazing how badly ku fans want us to fail.

Weber is a shitty recruiter and he sucked ass at Illinois.  Quit going full respect.

#butthurt

Yeah, I'm butthurt that Weber can't recruit and was fired at Illinois.  Right.

[pissclams]

i don't think i typed that, but if i did, i'm sure you can point out where and when i did.

I was being a bit facetious.  My point was that have pointed out oscar Weber recruited talent to Illinois and you also have said that he is a good strategy coach.  So why did he get fired at Illinois? Either he couldn't coach the talent he had effectively or the recruiting rankings on players he signed were off and those players were not as talented as the class ranking made it seem.  Which is is?

according to ku fans, it's both. 

[pissclams]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

we already established that he can recruit.  you agreed.  see his 2011, 2010, and 2009 classes, all top 15 classes.

and don't you feel stupid questioning whether or not a guy can coach a team of players recruited by guy a versus guy b?  how stupid of a question is that?  i realize it's been regurgitated incessantly since the weber hire by ku fans but its an incredibly illogical talking point.

what do you know about "martin's recruiting classes" ?  angel, frank's best recruit outside of the dca pipe, was a 3 star.  frank was no recruiter, by any measure.

oscar can coach, but he can't coach his own players
oscar can recruit, but he can't recruit to k-state

the constant evolution of KU fan's talking points is both sad and hilarious.  it's amazing how badly ku fans want us to fail.

Weber is a shitty recruiter and he sucked ass at Illinois.  Quit going full respect.

#butthurt

Yeah, I'm butthurt that Weber can't recruit and was fired at Illinois.  Right.

WELCOME TO TITLETOWN, KIDDO. 

[Mr Bread]

[OregonSmock]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

we already established that he can recruit.  you agreed.  see his 2011, 2010, and 2009 classes, all top 15 classes.

and don't you feel stupid questioning whether or not a guy can coach a team of players recruited by guy a versus guy b?  how stupid of a question is that?  i realize it's been regurgitated incessantly since the weber hire by ku fans but its an incredibly illogical talking point.

what do you know about "martin's recruiting classes" ?  angel, frank's best recruit outside of the dca pipe, was a 3 star.  frank was no recruiter, by any measure.

oscar can coach, but he can't coach his own players
oscar can recruit, but he can't recruit to k-state

the constant evolution of KU fan's talking points is both sad and hilarious.  it's amazing how badly ku fans want us to fail.

Weber is a shitty recruiter and he sucked ass at Illinois.  Quit going full respect.

#butthurt

Yeah, I'm butthurt that Weber can't recruit and was fired at Illinois.  Right.

WELCOME TO TITLETOWN, KIDDO.

More like "WELCOME TO WEBERVILLE.  DESTINATION:  MID MAJOR"

[quietstorm5]

i don't think i typed that, but if i did, i'm sure you can point out where and when i did.

I was being a bit facetious.  My point was that have pointed out oscar Weber recruited talent to Illinois and you also have said that he is a good strategy coach. So why did he get fired at Illinois? Either he couldn't coach the talent he had effectively or the recruiting rankings on players he signed were off and those players were not as talented as the class ranking made it seem.  Which is is?

It's not an either/or propsition! I'm assuming that people understand that logic isn't so binary  His problems at Illinois were initially he tried recruiting the way he felt was best but the fanbase and local media blasted him for it because the prevailing thought was "this is Illinois we produce way to much talent and you took over a roster with way too much highly ranked talent for you to be bringing in players like Chester Frazier" so he buckled and didn't trust what had worked for him as a coach up to that point, which was to recruit the best players he could get who fit with his coaching philosophy so he then started just star hunting. Getting the highest rated players he could and hoping/thinking he could turn them into the players he needed. Prime example, recruiting several high ranked wings and thinking he could turn a coule into point guards instead of just recruiting a good solid point gaurd, like say Frazier or Meacham who may not be as highly sought after but would fill the need and become a good player as an upperclassman. Coincidently something he seems to be avoiding repeating already at KSU.

[pissclams]

only so high as the big 12 championship?

We are talking about his recruiting classes and what he accomplished with them.  This year's KSU team was not comprised of players Weber recruited.  He has done a fantastic job this year, no disputing that.  It remains to be seen at what level he recruits in the future.  If he brings in talent like Martin did, then yes he can be very successful.  If he can't at least bring in the level that Martin did, I think oscar will not be long for Manhattan.  That is just my opinion though, very well may be wrong.

we already established that he can recruit.  you agreed.  see his 2011, 2010, and 2009 classes, all top 15 classes.

and don't you feel stupid questioning whether or not a guy can coach a team of players recruited by guy a versus guy b?  how stupid of a question is that?  i realize it's been regurgitated incessantly since the weber hire by ku fans but its an incredibly illogical talking point.

what do you know about "martin's recruiting classes" ?  angel, frank's best recruit outside of the dca pipe, was a 3 star.  frank was no recruiter, by any measure.

oscar can coach, but he can't coach his own players
oscar can recruit, but he can't recruit to k-state

the constant evolution of KU fan's talking points is both sad and hilarious.  it's amazing how badly ku fans want us to fail.

Weber is a shitty recruiter and he sucked ass at Illinois.  Quit going full respect.

#butthurt

Yeah, I'm butthurt that Weber can't recruit and was fired at Illinois.  Right.

WELCOME TO TITLETOWN, KIDDO.

Good stuff.

you know what's even better stuff?  the fact that the best that bill self can do is back into a share of a conference championship after 10 years at KU while oscar rolls up, takes his team (picked to finish 5th) (having just finished 5th the previous year) and easily clinches a troph.  might as well have done it blindfolded though, being unable to coach and all.  sometimes strange crap just happens when you reside in titletown.