The last time oscar was in his first year with a new team

[kim carnes]

He went to the national championship.   Let that sink in for a moment.

[Emo EMAW]

kc it's sank so deep I don't know if I should puke or crap.

[pissclams]

king oscar sits on his throne while being serviced by the finest emaw bachelorettes available.

[CNS]

oscar should totally just move ever year or two and go to the NC every time.  Every Time!

[owl borland]

it was actually his second season at Illinois when they went to the ship... so next year, shane leads the cats to the title.

[eastcat]

It was his second, he went to the sweet sixteen his first.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Welp, good try Carnes

[pissclams]

Welp, good try Carnes

oscar is still the king.  long live king oscar. 

[AndrewVonLintel]

Bad Kim.... Bad......   

Instead you should say this is probably going to be his best chance to win a National Championship here in Manhattan. Unless you think we can improve or stay the same next year.

Illinois was seeded in the tournament

No NCAA  in 2012
#9 in 2011
No NCAA in 2010
#5 in 2009
no NCAA in 2008
#12 in 2007
#4 in  2006
#1 in 2005
#5 in 2004

[EMAWzified]

Prolly should fire oscar as soon as the season's over so we can hire to be our first-year coach again.

[kim carnes]

All hail the king!

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Bad Kim.... Bad......   

Instead you should say this is probably going to be his best chance to win a National Championship here in Manhattan. Unless you think we can improve or stay the same next year.

Illinois was seeded in the tournament

No NCAA  in 2012
#9 in 2011
No NCAA in 2010
#5 in 2009
no NCAA in 2008
#12 in 2007
#4 in  2006
#1 in 2005
#5 in 2004

Are you arguing history will repeat itself?  In which case we'll be a #1 seed next year.  Or are you arguing perhaps he'll follow a different path at KSU than he did at Illinois?  Either way Frank, shouldn't you be preparing for your game against Mississippi State?

[KITNfury]

History is (octagon of) doomed to repeat itself.

[AndrewVonLintel]

2004 Illini leading scorers                     2005 Leading Scorers

Deron Williams                                   Luther Head
Dee Brown                                        Dee Brown
Roger Powell Jr.                                  Deron Williams
Luther Head                                      Roger Powell Jr.
James Augustine                                James Augustine


oscar is doing well with Frank's players but next year some of them won't be there..........

Hope I am wrong because winning Big 12 Championships is fun.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

2004 Illini leading scorers                     2005 Leading Scorers

Deron Williams                                   Luther Head
Dee Brown                                        Dee Brown
Roger Powell Jr.                                  Deron Williams
Luther Head                                      Roger Powell Jr.
James Augustine                                James Augustine


oscar is doing well with Frank's players but next year some of them won't be there..........

Hope I am wrong because winning Big 12 Championships is fun.

Interesting.  Which of our 2013 players do you see as equvalent to the 2004 Illini?  (Since your logic is Weber can only win with players at the level of the 2004 Illini n' stuff.)

Rod = Deron Williams?
Angel = Dee Brown?
Southwell = Roger Powell?
Spradling = Luther Head?
Gipson = James Augustine?

Did I get it right?

Well, we got 4 of the 5 coming back so,...   

P.S.  Let me be the first (second after clams) to congratulate Rod on being the #3 overall pick in the upcoming draft!

[phoenix]

2004 Illini leading scorers                     2005 Leading Scorers

Deron Williams                                   Luther Head
Dee Brown                                        Dee Brown
Roger Powell Jr.                                  Deron Williams
Luther Head                                      Roger Powell Jr.
James Augustine                                James Augustine


oscar is doing well with Frank's players but next year some of them won't be there..........

Hope I am wrong because winning Big 12 Championships is fun.

Interesting.  Which of our 2013 players do you see as equvalent to the 2004 Illini?  (Since your logic is Weber can only win with players at the level of the 2004 Illini n' stuff.)

Rod = Deron Williams?
Angel = Dee Brown?
Southwell = Roger Powell?
Spradling = Luther Head?
Gipson = James Augustine?

Did I get it right?

Well, we got 4 of the 5 coming back so,...   

P.S.  Let me be the first (second after clams) to congratulate Rod on being the #3 overall pick in the upcoming draft!

Longtime Illini fan here and you got it pretty close.  I will never forget that 2005 run and especially those players.  Everyone of them was a gym rat.  They could always be found together day or night.  They were the most unselfish team I had ever seen.  They were a thing of beauty on the floor.

Your team has alot of the traits that the 2005 team did.  I really enjoyed watching them.  It was obvious they and the coaching staff were having fun.  Same as the Illini 2005 team.  I know that the coaches have to have sensed the same traits in the KSU players.

And you got you one hardnosed basketball player turned coach in Chester.  He was one of my favorite players. 

I am hoping you guys pick up the tourney championship and go far in the NCAA tourney.  Alot of us will be following when we can get you on tv. 

Congratulations.

[AndrewVonLintel]

Well the studly feature of the 2013 team isn't that we have 4 NBA players.... its that we have a very deep team that could legitimately go 8 deep and not miss a beat. Our bench was the best in the Big 12 and I don't think that it is even close. Tay, JO, and Omari would be starting on a bunch of teams in our league. Orris would be playing Significant Minutes at Illinois had oscar been given another year.

We are losing Rodney, Tay and JO..... and each will be missed in their own way. Strangely, I think it will be JO's defense and rebounding that will be missed the most. We recruited no true centers hopefully Diaz, DJamer and Gipson get quite a bit better and the new 6'9'' recruit will be good.

I realize that it is hard to find and train a big man and to realistically expect to find a 6'11" guy that can start is a stretch. However, we need to try and find some guys to start working in order to have quality bigs in year 3 and 4 of the oscar Administration (in time for reelection).

[cork_sniffer]

the team that Self left Weber at Illinois was loaded with talent.  Even Scott Drew could have coached those guys to an elite eight probably.  That's not a dig on Weber, he's a damn good game coach, but the greatness of that 05 team was mostly Bill Self's recruiting. 

weber needs to have some success with this years team (in the tournament) and capitalize on it through recruiting.  At Illinois he followed up the 05 title game run by pissing off a bunch of aau coaches in chicago and sealing his fate on the recruiting trail for a while.  He won't make that mistake twice. 

[8manpick]

Omari would be starting on a bunch of teams in our league. Orris would be playing Significant Minutes at Illinois had oscar been given another year

U srs, bro?

[_33]

the team that Self left Weber at Illinois was loaded with talent.  Even Scott Drew could have coached those guys to an elite eight probably.  That's not a dig on Weber, he's a damn good game coach, but the greatness of that 05 team was mostly Bill Self's recruiting. 

weber needs to have some success with this years team (in the tournament) and capitalize on it through recruiting.  At Illinois he followed up the 05 title game run by pissing off a bunch of aau coaches in chicago and sealing his fate on the recruiting trail for a while.  He won't make that mistake twice.

Deron Williams hates Bill Self.

[cork_sniffer]

the team that Self left Weber at Illinois was loaded with talent.  Even Scott Drew could have coached those guys to an elite eight probably.  That's not a dig on Weber, he's a damn good game coach, but the greatness of that 05 team was mostly Bill Self's recruiting. 

weber needs to have some success with this years team (in the tournament) and capitalize on it through recruiting.  At Illinois he followed up the 05 title game run by pissing off a bunch of aau coaches in chicago and sealing his fate on the recruiting trail for a while.  He won't make that mistake twice.

Deron Williams hates Bill Self.

well he did leave him so I don't blame him if true.  I heard that a long time ago but I'm not sure it's true today. 

weber tried to go behind two aau coaches backs and sign players when their 'handlers' weren't around.  Sherron Collins was one of those players fwiw.  They (aau coaches) basically black listed him and pretty much all the elite talent refused to talk to him or his staff after that for a while.  Illinois is a job that revolves around the ability to recruit chicago, so he kind of screwed himself. 

[pissclams]

the team that Self left Weber at Illinois was loaded with talent.  Even Scott Drew could have coached those guys to an elite eight probably.  That's not a dig on Weber, he's a damn good game coach, but the greatness of that 05 team was mostly Bill Self's recruiting. 

weber needs to have some success with this years team (in the tournament) and capitalize on it through recruiting.  At Illinois he followed up the 05 title game run by pissing off a bunch of aau coaches in chicago and sealing his fate on the recruiting trail for a while.  He won't make that mistake twice.

Deron Williams hates Bill Self.

well he did leave him so I don't blame him if true.  I heard that a long time ago but I'm not sure it's true today. 

weber tried to go behind two aau coaches backs and sign players when their 'handlers' weren't around.  Sherron Collins was one of those players fwiw.  They (aau coaches) basically black listed him and pretty much all the elite talent refused to talk to him or his staff after that for a while.  Illinois is a job that revolves around the ability to recruit chicago, so he kind of screwed himself. 

that's a cool story, but the real reason why collins signed at ku is because he got paid to by kurtis townsend.

[GCJayhawker]

the team that Self left Weber at Illinois was loaded with talent.  Even Scott Drew could have coached those guys to an elite eight probably.  That's not a dig on Weber, he's a damn good game coach, but the greatness of that 05 team was mostly Bill Self's recruiting. 

weber needs to have some success with this years team (in the tournament) and capitalize on it through recruiting.  At Illinois he followed up the 05 title game run by pissing off a bunch of aau coaches in chicago and sealing his fate on the recruiting trail for a while.  He won't make that mistake twice.

Deron Williams hates Bill Self.

well he did leave him so I don't blame him if true.  I heard that a long time ago but I'm not sure it's true today. 

weber tried to go behind two aau coaches backs and sign players when their 'handlers' weren't around.  Sherron Collins was one of those players fwiw.  They (aau coaches) basically black listed him and pretty much all the elite talent refused to talk to him or his staff after that for a while.  Illinois is a job that revolves around the ability to recruit chicago, so he kind of screwed himself. 

that's a cool story, but the real reason why collins signed at ku is because he got paid to by kurtis townsend.

That's a cool story with no proof other than the clams assertion

[pissclams]

do you really mean to tell me you're claiming townsend doesn't have a shady past and hasn't been paying players for years?

[GCJayhawker]

do you really mean to tell me you're claiming townsend doesn't have a shady past and hasn't been paying players for years?

I'm not claiming that.  I was referring to your claim he paid Sherron, no proof of that happening.  Before you ask, yes I have read your long post about the history of bill Self's cheating and in there there is no proof other than your speculation about Sherron.