The tipping point...

[ksupamplemousse]

I feel like we've come to a crossroads in our basketball program's future. If we can bring home a title tomorrow, there is a chance that flashing some recent hardware could help us land a solid '14 class. I'm not very optimistic of us becoming a perennial contender anytime soon without having a good haul in '14. There are just too many big holes to fill in that class, if we blow it then oscar probably won't ever achieve sustained success at K-State. If oscar flames out at K-State it won't set us back to the Wooly years, but the job will look a lot like ISU's during the McNeck years...really rough ridin' mediocre. Tomorrow could be a good tool to help oscar bring that class together. I know that you get a lot more run on TV by making a move in the tourney, but if you can sell a kid that you are starting to compete with Kansas for the league, then you have shot to do some damage on the recruiting trail. oscar carries a sissy-looking gun, he needs all the ammo he can get his hands on, and loading a bullet in the chamber that has Big XII champs written on the side sure can't hurt. Let's hope we win tomorrow, and that contributes to a happy ending for KSU hoops, because I just can't go back to being irrelevant guys...I just can't. Every Man A Wildcat.

[Kat Kid]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

[ksupamplemousse]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

It sure as crap won't hurt, and at a school like K-State you need all the help you can get, since we're not one of the basketball elites. Definitely not saying that this will guarantee future success with recruits, but it's better than the alternative. I do think that oscar's career at K-State could very well hinge upon that quality of the '14 class. Also, Huggs and Beaz situation is not very common. Not very often does a school go from being irrelevant to having a HOF coach and the #1 recruit in the country.

[scottwildcat]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

if we had 3 guys in the 121-155 range in the '14 class I would be happy. Tell me if that is short selling, over selling, or just right. TIA

[ksupamplemousse]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

if we had 3 guys in the 121-155 range in the '14 class I would be happy. Tell me if that is short selling, over selling, or just right. TIA

I won't tell you anything, I'll leave that to the experts, but I would personally be happy. I think you can compete for a league championship in any conference with a good coach and a squad full of top 150 guys. Wouldn't mind having a top 50 guy sprinkled in there every couple years or so.

[steve dave]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

yes, good post

[kougar24]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

It sure as crap won't hurt, and at a school like K-State you need all the help you can get, since we're not one of the basketball elites. Definitely not saying that this will guarantee future success with recruits, but it's better than the alternative. I do think that oscar's career at K-State could very well hinge upon that quality of the '14 class. Also, Huggs and Beaz situation is not very common. Not very often does a school go from being irrelevant to having a HOF coach and the #1 recruit in the country.

"sure as crap won't hurt" and "better than the alternative" are a far cry from "turning point" and "crossroads in our basketball program's future."

[wetwillie]

Hiring doug gottlieb would have been a tipping point

[CNS]

Hiring doug gottlieb would have been a tipping point

No, letting Frank go was the tipping point.

[kougar24]

I like to play a little game called, "Just the Tipping Point."

[ksupamplemousse]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

It sure as crap won't hurt, and at a school like K-State you need all the help you can get, since we're not one of the basketball elites. Definitely not saying that this will guarantee future success with recruits, but it's better than the alternative. I do think that oscar's career at K-State could very well hinge upon that quality of the '14 class. Also, Huggs and Beaz situation is not very common. Not very often does a school go from being irrelevant to having a HOF coach and the #1 recruit in the country.

"sure as crap won't hurt" and "better than the alternative" are a far cry from "turning point" and "crossroads in our basketball program's future."

I don't think I made myself very clear, the crossroads and the Big XII championship weren't supposed to be mutually exclusive. I think some hardware would help us sell our school to some top 100-150 guys. oscar hasn't landed a single top 150 guy while at K-State, that is concerning. If he doesn't do something about recruiting in '14 then we're mumped, that's the crossroad we're at right now. If he can do what Frank was able to do and get some top 150 kids to K-State, then I think we'll have sustainable success, and if you do that long enough then you have a chance to take the next step. I was just thinking that a Big XII ship sure couldn't hurt his chances of landing some of those kids and thereby preventing K-State basketball Armageddon. Hopefully that made more sense.

[shivvyman]

Winning that Big XII Title in football sure helped recruiting.

Unfortunately, our oscar is not Bill.

[kim carnes]

I feel like we've come to a crossroads in our basketball program's future. If we can bring home a title tomorrow, there is a chance that flashing some recent hardware could help us land a solid '14 class. I'm not very optimistic of us becoming a perennial contender anytime soon without having a good haul in '14. There are just too many big holes to fill in that class, if we blow it then oscar probably won't ever achieve sustained success at K-State. If oscar flames out at K-State it won't set us back to the Wooly years, but the job will look a lot like ISU's during the McNeck years...really rough ridin' mediocre. Tomorrow could be a good tool to help oscar bring that class together. I know that you get a lot more run on TV by making a move in the tourney, but if you can sell a kid that you are starting to compete with Kansas for the league, then you have shot to do some damage on the recruiting trail. oscar carries a sissy-looking gun, he needs all the ammo he can get his hands on, and loading a bullet in the chamber that has Big XII champs written on the side sure can't hurt. Let's hope we win tomorrow, and that contributes to a happy ending for KSU hoops, because I just can't go back to being irrelevant guys...I just can't. Every Man A Wildcat.

DNR, you are a sucky poster.

[scottwildcat]

Winning that Big XII Title in football sure helped recruiting.

 

[Cire]

if we lose tomorrow, I'm going to be mean on twitter to JC and the animal

[ksupamplemousse]

I feel like we've come to a crossroads in our basketball program's future. If we can bring home a title tomorrow, there is a chance that flashing some recent hardware could help us land a solid '14 class. I'm not very optimistic of us becoming a perennial contender anytime soon without having a good haul in '14. There are just too many big holes to fill in that class, if we blow it then oscar probably won't ever achieve sustained success at K-State. If oscar flames out at K-State it won't set us back to the Wooly years, but the job will look a lot like ISU's during the McNeck years...really rough ridin' mediocre. Tomorrow could be a good tool to help oscar bring that class together. I know that you get a lot more run on TV by making a move in the tourney, but if you can sell a kid that you are starting to compete with Kansas for the league, then you have shot to do some damage on the recruiting trail. oscar carries a sissy-looking gun, he needs all the ammo he can get his hands on, and loading a bullet in the chamber that has Big XII champs written on the side sure can't hurt. Let's hope we win tomorrow, and that contributes to a happy ending for KSU hoops, because I just can't go back to being irrelevant guys...I just can't. Every Man A Wildcat.

DNR, you are a sucky poster.

I would have felt better about myself if you would have called me a dumbass...dumbass.

[Super PurpleCat]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

When KU has won the last 945 of them I think it sends a signal out that things are changing.

[kim carnes]

I feel like we've come to a crossroads in our basketball program's future. If we can bring home a title tomorrow, there is a chance that flashing some recent hardware could help us land a solid '14 class. I'm not very optimistic of us becoming a perennial contender anytime soon without having a good haul in '14. There are just too many big holes to fill in that class, if we blow it then oscar probably won't ever achieve sustained success at K-State. If oscar flames out at K-State it won't set us back to the Wooly years, but the job will look a lot like ISU's during the McNeck years...really rough ridin' mediocre. Tomorrow could be a good tool to help oscar bring that class together. I know that you get a lot more run on TV by making a move in the tourney, but if you can sell a kid that you are starting to compete with Kansas for the league, then you have shot to do some damage on the recruiting trail. oscar carries a sissy-looking gun, he needs all the ammo he can get his hands on, and loading a bullet in the chamber that has Big XII champs written on the side sure can't hurt. Let's hope we win tomorrow, and that contributes to a happy ending for KSU hoops, because I just can't go back to being irrelevant guys...I just can't. Every Man A Wildcat.

DNR, you are a sucky poster.

I would have felt better about myself if you would have called me a dumbass...dumbass.

ok?

[bunter]

I feel like we've come to a crossroads in our basketball program's future. If we can bring home a title tomorrow, there is a chance that flashing some recent hardware could help us land a solid '14 class. I'm not very optimistic of us becoming a perennial contender anytime soon without having a good haul in '14. There are just too many big holes to fill in that class, if we blow it then oscar probably won't ever achieve sustained success at K-State. If oscar flames out at K-State it won't set us back to the Wooly years, but the job will look a lot like ISU's during the McNeck years...really rough ridin' mediocre. Tomorrow could be a good tool to help oscar bring that class together. I know that you get a lot more run on TV by making a move in the tourney, but if you can sell a kid that you are starting to compete with Kansas for the league, then you have shot to do some damage on the recruiting trail. oscar carries a sissy-looking gun, he needs all the ammo he can get his hands on, and loading a bullet in the chamber that has Big XII champs written on the side sure can't hurt. Let's hope we win tomorrow, and that contributes to a happy ending for KSU hoops, because I just can't go back to being irrelevant guys...I just can't. Every Man A Wildcat.

Smaller firearms tend to have more recoil and therefore less accuracy. I get it, man.

[_33]

Recruits don't care about regular season titles.  Only fans.  Recruits might care about the tourn though.

[Kat Kid]

I got all excited about this, then I remembered that we fired Wooly, hired Huggs and had Beasley within 2 years.  So I kind of think that "turning points" in modern college basketball are kind of worthless.  Getting 1 and done kids is difficult and is hit and miss.  Building a program is what Frank started and we should hope oscar contends with, but I just don't think that a Big 12 title will likely have much impact on kids that are going to be elite impact kids and it will only have a marginal effect on the fringey top 150 guys we will have to continue to get to sustain our success.

It sure as crap won't hurt, and at a school like K-State you need all the help you can get, since we're not one of the basketball elites. Definitely not saying that this will guarantee future success with recruits, but it's better than the alternative. I do think that oscar's career at K-State could very well hinge upon that quality of the '14 class. Also, Huggs and Beaz situation is not very common. Not very often does a school go from being irrelevant to having a HOF coach and the #1 recruit in the country.

"sure as crap won't hurt" and "better than the alternative" are a far cry from "turning point" and "crossroads in our basketball program's future."

I don't think I made myself very clear, the crossroads and the Big XII championship weren't supposed to be mutually exclusive. I think some hardware would help us sell our school to some top 100-150 guys. oscar hasn't landed a single top 150 guy while at K-State, that is concerning. If he doesn't do something about recruiting in '14 then we're mumped, that's the crossroad we're at right now. If he can do what Frank was able to do and get some top 150 kids to K-State, then I think we'll have sustainable success, and if you do that long enough then you have a chance to take the next step. I was just thinking that a Big XII ship sure couldn't hurt his chances of landing some of those kids and thereby preventing K-State basketball Armageddon. Hopefully that made more sense.

I agree with this more or less, I just think that fans of their schools overrate how much recent success has on recruiting.

[Kat Kid]

Recruits don't care about regular season titles.  Only fans.  Recruits might care about the tourn though.

this.  didn't see this, but this.

[KITNfury]

I pretty much just hope that oscar keeps the ball rolling with us being tourney regulars. Anything beyond is gravy. It wouldbe nice to be known as a school with "good tradition". We have good tradition but the average Joe doesn't know it.