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« on: March 06, 2013, 03:29:17 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/holder-yep-obama-could-kill-americans-u-soil-213059085--politics.html

 Holder: Yep, Obama could kill Americans on U.S. soil


By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News
White House Correspondent


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President Barack Obama has the legal authority to unleash deadly force—such as drone strikes—against Americans on U.S. soil without first putting them on trial, Attorney General Eric Holder wrote in a letter released Tuesday.
But Holder, writing to Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, underlined that Obama “has no intention” of targeting his fellow citizens with unmanned aerial vehicles and would do so only if facing “an extraordinary circumstance.”
Paul had asked the Obama administration on Feb. 20 whether the president "has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil and without trial." On Tuesday, he denounced Holder's response as “frightening” and “an affront to the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans.”
“The U.S. government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so,” Holder assured Paul in the March 4, 2013 letter. The attorney general also underlined that “we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat.”
Holder added: “The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no President will ever have to confront."
But "it is possible, I suppose to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," Holder said. "For example, the President could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack” like Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
“Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of this authority,” said Holder.
Paul, whose office released the letter, denounced the attorney general’s comments.
"The U.S. Attorney General's refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening—it is an affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans," the senator said in a statement.
The exchange came as the White House agreed to give Senate Intelligence Committee members access to all of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel opinions justifying Obama's expanded campaign of targeted assassination of suspected terrorists overseas, including American citizens. Some lawmakers had warned they would try to block top Obama counterterrorism adviser John Brennan's nomination to head the CIA unless they were able to see the memos.
A few hours after the White House agreed to share the information, the committee approved Brennan 12-3, setting the stage for a full Senate vote.
Obama's drone war—relatively popular at home, reviled across the Muslim world—has drawn fresh scrutiny ever since NBC News obtained and published a Justice Department memo that lays out the legal justification behind it. The White House has defended the policy as “necessary,” “ethical” and “wise.” But civil liberties champions have sharply criticized it.


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Re: Dax, prepare to fap
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 08:20:41 AM »
It's not the actual Drones used in a law enforcement situation per se, it's who makes the decisions.   NDAA provisions potentially sets up a "Kangaroo Court" system putting the power to take out American Citizens in the hands of a few or possibly only one. 

But hey, I just live in a Beems'ian world now where I just "take their word for it", and never question anything.

Anyone who questions this is just a tinfoil hat guy (when in reality some of the biggest progressive names in America are the one's doing the most questioning and taking the administration to court).



 


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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2013, 08:23:53 AM »
But hey, I just live in a Beems'ian world now where I just "take their word for it", and never question anything.

It's a happier way to live, if nothing else.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 08:46:18 AM »
This terrifies, worries, pisses me off and agitates me all at the same time.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2013, 10:46:56 AM »
This terrifies, worries, pisses me off and agitates me all at the same time.
Quite frankly I have NO issue with them not eliminating the possibility. I would like to see the administration take the initiative and set up strict standards for the application of a drone strike. The fact of the matter is that there are Americans who want to do great harm to this country. If there are no agents ready to intercede as a domestic terrorist is on the way to the next Murrah Federal Building I don't know what else should be done. I guess I would like the admin to set up the program, legal justification, and standards now. I feel like Pandora's box is open with the technology we have. Lets setup a regime now before its employed in a legal black hole later (ie: gitmo, enemy combatant status).
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Re: Dax, prepare to fap
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 01:35:32 PM »
This is rough ridin' outrageous and completely unacceptable.

If ever actually employed, these people should be tried and convicted of murder.  If ever put into action and not carried out, tried and convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. 

I don't give a eff how big of a piece of crap you are, every citizen has due process rights under all circumstances.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 01:43:05 PM »
This is rough ridin' outrageous and completely unacceptable.

If ever actually employed, these people should be tried and convicted of murder.  If ever put into action and not carried out, tried and convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. 

I don't give a eff how big of a piece of crap you are, every citizen has due process rights under all circumstances.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 01:44:48 PM »
This is rough ridin' outrageous and completely unacceptable.

If ever actually employed, these people should be tried and convicted of murder.  If ever put into action and not carried out, tried and convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. 

I don't give a eff how big of a piece of crap you are, every citizen has due process rights under all circumstances.

Agreed.

Can't believe there isn't a enormous issue being made of this everywhere.

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Re: Dax, prepare to fap
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2013, 01:45:57 PM »
This is rough ridin' outrageous and completely unacceptable.

If ever actually employed, these people should be tried and convicted of murder.  If ever put into action and not carried out, tried and convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. 

I don't give a eff how big of a piece of crap you are, every citizen has due process rights under all circumstances.

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