Construction in Aggieville

[chum1]

Belvis, the city commission is a bunch of small timey busybodies who impede the city's growth due to concerns about things like Home Depot looking too orange.  They are way more fussy about this stuff than you are.  You've got no worries.

[michigancat]

TTIWWOP

[Belvis Noland]

From the City, in response to my email...


When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District.  We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized.  Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.

The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides.  The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area.  The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do.  We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.

 

[ChiComCat]

I don't see it on google maps.  Post a picture Belvis, its the best way to drum up support

[michigancat]

From the City, in response to my email...


When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District.  We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized.  Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.

The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides.  The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area.  The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do.  We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.

wow, is that real? What incredible dumbfucks.

[wabash909]

From the City, in response to my email...


When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District.  We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized.  Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.

The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides.  The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area.  The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do.  We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.

This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.

I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night. 

[puniraptor]

Benches?


Aaah Yeeeahh
Time to eff

[ednksu]

From the City, in response to my email...


When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District.  We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized.  Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.

The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides.  The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area.  The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do.  We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.

This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.

I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night.

In fairness they are 100% right, think Fake Patty's Day.  The problem is the city has allowed the inmate bar owners to run the asylum (Aggieville).

[8manpick]

From the City, in response to my email...


When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District.  We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized.  Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.

The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides.  The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area.  The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do.  We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.

This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.

I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night.

In fairness they are 100% right, think Fake Patty's Day.  The problem is the city has allowed the inmate bar owners to run the asylum (Aggieville).

In what way?  What exactly are you calling a "problem"?

[GoodForAnother]

From the City, in response to my email...


When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District.  We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized.  Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.

The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides.  The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area.  The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do.  We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.

lmao, perfect

[ednksu]

In what way?  What exactly are you calling a "problem"?

The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks.  Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day.  The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'

[Stevesie60]

In what way?  What exactly are you calling a "problem"?

The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks.  Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day.  The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'

Well, there are multiple things wrong with your post, but I'll focus on the big ones.

1. Originally, Aggieville Business owners didn't pay for anything because Manhattan refused to help out, and still does to some extent, despite the fact that they make more on tickets, taxes, people coming into town for the event, etc. than any bar owner is going to make. Eventually they budged a bit and helped do clean up and the bar owners paid for porta potties and stuff (which actually probably benefited them because every bar's bathroom was out of order by noon because of vandalism.
2. The city still does a bunch of bullshit like try to shut down EVERY SINGLE BAR for over occupancy on FPD. I understand keeping everything under control, I'm not oppose to that. But they target bars and attempt to get an over occupancy to every bar in Aggieville on FPD. That's their goal. If one passes all day, they keep coming back until 2am. I wish I was kidding.
3. The city sends all of it's money to Poyntz, which isn't necessarily a lost cause, but it should play second fiddle to Aggieville. Hell, I'm surprised adding lights to the sidewalk around city park every got okay'd considering it significantly benefits people (girls) walking home from Aggieville at night. With all that money they are spending trying to connect Poyntz and the Hy-Vee area, you think at least tiny fraction of that would go to Aggieville. Manhattan City Counsel is Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, Poyntz is Dudley, and Aggieville is Harry Potter. There's no way to deny this.

[ChiComCat]

I deny your Harry Potter references

[Stevesie60]

I deny your Harry Potter references

You can't. I already said so.

[06wildcat]

In what way?  What exactly are you calling a "problem"?

The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks.  Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day.  The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'

Well, there are multiple things wrong with your post, but I'll focus on the big ones.

1. Originally, Aggieville Business owners didn't pay for anything because Manhattan refused to help out, and still does to some extent, despite the fact that they make more on tickets, taxes, people coming into town for the event, etc. than any bar owner is going to make. Eventually they budged a bit and helped do clean up and the bar owners paid for porta potties and stuff (which actually probably benefited them because every bar's bathroom was out of order by noon because of vandalism.
2. The city still does a bunch of bullshit like try to shut down EVERY SINGLE BAR for over occupancy on FPD. I understand keeping everything under control, I'm not oppose to that. But they target bars and attempt to get an over occupancy to every bar in Aggieville on FPD. That's their goal. If one passes all day, they keep coming back until 2am. I wish I was kidding.
3. The city sends all of it's money to Poyntz, which isn't necessarily a lost cause, but it should play second fiddle to Aggieville. Hell, I'm surprised adding lights to the sidewalk around city park every got okay'd considering it significantly benefits people (girls) walking home from Aggieville at night. With all that money they are spending trying to connect Poyntz and the Hy-Vee area, you think at least tiny fraction of that would go to Aggieville. Manhattan City Counsel is Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, Poyntz is Dudley, and Aggieville is Harry Potter. There's no way to deny this.

Aggieville gets crap on because it's way too small. There isn't the prestige/influence from business owners in Aggieville that Poyntz carries.

If the ABA was smart (they aren't), a community improvement district would be created to fund all sorts of cool infrastructure in and around Aggieville. Addressing parking to permanently close Moro would be at the top of the list. Underground crosswalks would be on toward the top as well.

If the city commission was smart (they aren't) they'd do the same thing for Poyntz.

And the commission should really be looking at making the entire swath of the city from Aggieville/City park to the redevelopment area high-density housing/mixed use zoning.

[star seed 7]

UNDERGROUND CROSSWALKS?!?!   TELL ME MORE!

[8manpick]

In what way?  What exactly are you calling a "problem"?

The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks.  Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day.  The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'

The city gets 1% of everything and Riley/Pott County gets another 1%. Seems like people who require medical services (or their insurance companies) pay for that, and 90% of police action is spent collecting thousands of dollars checking IDs at house parties or writing up DUIs. The idea that FPD is anything but a net benefit for the City of Manhattan, financially or otherwise, is an absolute farce.

[star seed 7]

It really is amazing how much the community leaders hate aggieville.

[06wildcat]

UNDERGROUND CROSSWALKS?!?!   TELL ME MORE!

Essentially tunnels under the streets so you don't have pedestrians waiting/walking through crosswalks. A couple along Bluemont/Anderson and one on 11th street would probably be enough. Would be similar to what was installed under the on ramp for 77 to link the Discover Center/hotels with the Depot.

[Rage Against the McKee]

From the City, in response to my email...


When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District.  We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized.  Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.

The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides.  The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area.  The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do.  We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.

This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.

I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night.

It is ridiculous that the city won't fund improvements like trees and benches, but it should be on the Aggieville businesses to set their own guidelines, and if they can't agree, then there shouldn't be any.

[ednksu]

Some really odd information going on in this thread.

If we're going to go 100% FPD now I'm okay with that.

We need to realize that police and medical services used on FPD are greatly benefiting only one area of town.  Its absurd to make the entire town pay for services when they are used by only a few.  Bars are making hundreds of thousands of dollars on that one day.  The city isn't making money of FPD because of the massive increase of police and material needs to secure and service those in that area.  The city is footing the bill, not the ABA.  While I don't know specifically about the porta potties, I know the city is paying for the police, fire, and personnel to run the event.  The amount of crime and damage makes it a net loss for the general community.

There is a reason why many groups want to shut down FPD like they did at Penn St and many other universities across the nation.  Its too expensive, especially when no one wants to pay for it.  Too many people are coming into Manhattan just to cause chaos, not to enjoy a fun time, because the city has let the situation get out of reasonable control. 

[8manpick]

Honest question, have you been attending fake patties days? The legitimate issues associated are alcohol poisoning, Aggieville bathroom vandalism, people driving under the influence, and mildly inconvenienced neighbors (front yard orgies). I'm not sure where you get the idea that people are coming here to cause chaos rather than have a good time and drink. 

[star seed 7]

bunch of rascals just causing trouble.

[wetwillie]

If FPD was truly a net loss for the city they would find a way to stop it

[ednksu]

Honest question, have you been attending fake patties days? The legitimate issues associated are alcohol poisoning, Aggieville bathroom vandalism, people driving under the influence, and mildly inconvenienced neighbors (front yard orgies). I'm not sure where you get the idea that people are coming here to cause chaos rather than have a good time and drink.

I worked in Justin Hall one semester as a student worker, one of the people in my office was running one of the safe drinking organizations which had input with the city on FPD.  I honestly don't remember which org off the top of my head.  They had an entire power point presentation on the problems with FPD they were presenting to the city a few years ago.  One of the trends they've been having is an increase of people coming from out of the area to party, specifically KC and other college towns.  The problem is that even with the massive number of police (pulling overtime which is a HUGE cost), army liaisons, and other types of staff (ems/MFD), they are still struggling to keep ahead of the problems. 

If FPD was truly a net loss for the city they would find a way to stop it

Which is why there was/is a serious push to settle things down.  I don't remember the figures, I'm sorry its shitty posting of me (surprise!), but the city doesn't make very much because of the huge manpower issues FPD gives the city.