Author Topic: Weber recruiting (Read 5168 times)

gatoveintisiete · « **on:** February 19, 2013, 05:09:31 PM »

Clearly oscar is better at coaching franks players than frank was, bid's contention is oscar can't re-stock the shelves. So let me understand what is coming. oscar is currently coaching 2-3 star guys with a couple 4's, at Illinois he got about half 3's and half 4's, does he pick the wrong ones? Is it harder to recruit at ksu and you think he will only get 2-3's? Just trying to understand.

8manpick · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:16:55 PM »

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2013, 05:09:31 PM

Clearly oscar is better at coaching franks players than frank was, bid's contention is oscar can't re-stock the shelves. So let me understand what is coming. oscar is currently coaching 2-3 star guys with a couple 4's, at Illinois he got about half 3's and half 4's, does he pick the wrong ones? Is it harder to recruit at ksu and you think he will only get 2-3's? Just trying to understand.

Link?

Skipper44 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:22:30 PM »

Weber has been successful when he has a playmaking pg like Dee Brown and Deron Williams that Self left him, and now Angel. It appears to me in hindsight that his only successful teams after Self's recruits were gone are the teams that had Chet Frazier as his point guard.

I personally was not following the Illini at that time, but I understand Frazier was leader and also a a guy that could create shots on offense. Now, the correlation between good pg play and winning is true for all HM but some coaches can manufacture ways to points and win while others let seasons get away from them.

I am also concerned we will miss JO enormously. The defense has not been good against quality competition unless JO plays well and I don't think oscar will target it as he values having guys that fit is his system on O over protecting the rim on D.

FuzzyWuzzy · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:28:38 PM »

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2013, 05:09:31 PM

does he pick the wrong ones?

Yes. I believe oscar has mentioned this before, something about going after any ol' big name recruit rather than recruit players to fit his system. Hopefully he's learned and will do better.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:32:35 PM »

We'll see, Orris and Johnson, okay.

But guys like Marcus Foster were underrated and ESPN has bumped him up to 4 stars.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:33:28 PM »

oscar's class doesn't look half bad. The good thing is that K-State returns quite a bit of experience next year, so you don't really need a bunch of freshmen to come in and contribute right away. This looks like a group that will be solid in 2-3 years.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:35:59 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on February 19, 2013, 05:33:28 PM

oscar's class doesn't look half bad. The good thing is that K-State returns quite a bit of experience next year, so you don't really need a bunch of freshmen to come in and contribute right away. This looks like a group that will be solid in 2-3 years.

I have talked myself into a similar mindset, especially with what Angel will bring to table for the next 2 years. I would just like to see more of an effort to find a legit big man - quality size can really separate elite teams from the rest of cbb.

EMAWmeister · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:36:51 PM »

Sans Orris, I actually really like the guys oscar is bringing in. Iwandu, Foster, Thomas etc.

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:46:15 PM »

Orris could not look anymore worthless

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:00:39 PM »

Quote from: Skipper44 on February 19, 2013, 05:35:59 PM

Quote from: OregonSmock on February 19, 2013, 05:33:28 PM
oscar's class doesn't look half bad. The good thing is that K-State returns quite a bit of experience next year, so you don't really need a bunch of freshmen to come in and contribute right away. This looks like a group that will be solid in 2-3 years.
I have talked myself into a similar mindset, especially with what Angel will bring to table for the next 2 years. I would just like to see more of an effort to find a legit big man - quality size can really separate elite teams from the rest of cbb.

Yep, to be a top 25 team going forward, oscar MUST land a high quality big in the '14 class (preferably two).

ManBearPig · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:23:31 PM »

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2013, 05:46:15 PM

Orris could not look anymore worthless

I'm under the assumption that he's getting Bruced' at the end of this season. Angel and Thomas should be the only players seeing any time at the point next year

LickNeckey · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:51:03 PM »

If Orris gets oscar'd I will hate him less.

(oscar that is)

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:53:10 PM »

just looked through the videos of Foster

Westicles

(don't think he can shoot yet tho) Fincher

and Thomas

I'm no expert, but these look like badasses to me guys.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:00:21 PM »

Orris isn't getting Bruced he not here to play a ton. He has different roles, leadership aka off the court leader. Everybody is going to be happy we got Jevon Thomas and not Josh Gray. Foster is going to fit the system really well and is underrated. Westicles has a chance to be great but as of now I am not high on him. Fincher is a wait and see.

CNS · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:03:24 PM »

LOL at bringing in Orris for off court leadership.

Seriously laughing about this.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:09:45 PM »

Yea because his awesome basketball skills explain why he is here. oscar's has even said orris knows that his not going to play a lot when we signed him.

CNS · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:12:29 PM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 19, 2013, 07:09:45 PM

Yea because his awesome basketball skills explain why he is here. oscar's has even said orris knows that his not going to play a lot when we signed him.

Most likely because of Will, tay, shane, rodney, and Angel.

Coaches don't give out scholarships to kids that can't play because they want a good citizen on the roster in the locker room. Especially if you have to run a kid to get the good citizen in town.

Completely ridic.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:16:04 PM »

I don't know why oscar recruited him as a bench player but he did.

CNS · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:20:27 PM »

oscar recruited him for the same reason every coach recruits every recruit. he thought he was going to be able to contribute.

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:36:48 PM »

does foster take over for rod, thomas spell angel, and we play the same way as this year?

yosh · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:56:39 PM »

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2013, 07:36:48 PM

does foster take over for rod, thomas spell angel, and we play the same way as this year?

More or less. My guess

1. Angel, Thomas
2. Spradling, Foster
3. Southwell, Foster
4. Williams, Southwell
5. Gipson, Finchsonaz

Little bit of EMAPE and Westicles thrown in there.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:00:27 PM »

that team has zero size and no shot blocking

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:04:53 PM »

oscar has got to coach Diaz or Fischer up

Boondock Poonhound · « **Reply #23 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:08:38 PM »

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2013, 08:04:53 PM

oscar has got to coach Diaz or Fischer up

^ This.
Diaz 's development would be huge for next years' team. I know its a stretch, but why cant he develope a little baby jump hook. Its not that god damn hard to learn and execute.

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:10:47 PM »

Yeah it's not like Jo is polished, there is no reason why Diaz couldn't be more effective