JO

[theKSU]

He appeared to be roughly a foot shorter than Withey in the game last night.

Also guards pass him the ball too often, and it results in a turnover about 70% of the time. He should just have his face to the basket at all times waiting for a rebound.

[CNS]

I didn't think JO was bad last night.     Have not looked at stats.

Also, JO's miss last night was def a bad dump off pass. 

He also was the recipient of two of the worst lobs I have seen from our guards, in the last two years.

I still wish we could see him as a 4 that plays 10-12' out and faces up.

[MakeItRain]

I didn't think JO was bad last night.     Have not looked at stats.

Also, JO's miss last night was def a bad dump off pass. 

He also was the recipient of two of the worst lobs I have seen from our guards, in the last two years.

I still wish we could see him as a 4 that plays 10-12' out and faces up.

[sonofdaxjones]

The first lob was off a little, but you don't go up one handed, the second was just fine and Jo made it absolutely comical.

[CNS]

The first lob was off a little, but you don't go up one handed, the second was just fine and Jo made it absolutely comical.

He had to attack that one one handed.  it was very high and behind where JO was positioned.  He had to one hand it just to get to it.

[sonofdaxjones]

The first lob was off a little, but you don't go up one handed, the second was just fine and Jo made it absolutely comical.

He had to attack that one one handed.  it was very high and behind where JO was positioned.  He had to one hand it just to get to it.

Which is why Jo is a 7 footer, playing at about 6-6, it wasn't off by that much.

The guy is 7 feet tall and got stuffed by the rim last night and he was right at the rim to start.

[MakeItRain]

The first lob was off a little, but you don't go up one handed, the second was just fine and Jo made it absolutely comical.

He had to attack that one one handed.  it was very high and behind where JO was positioned.  He had to one hand it just to get to it.

Which is why Jo is a 7 footer, playing at about 6-6, it wasn't off by that much.

The guy is 7 feet tall and got stuffed by the rim last night and he was right at the rim to start.

He isn't quite 7 feet tall, but the fact that he plays way smaller with the ball is an absolute legit critique.

[wabash909]

JO, for the most part sucks.

[CNS]

The first lob was off a little, but you don't go up one handed, the second was just fine and Jo made it absolutely comical.

He had to attack that one one handed.  it was very high and behind where JO was positioned.  He had to one hand it just to get to it.

Which is why Jo is a 7 footer, playing at about 6-6, it wasn't off by that much.

The guy is 7 feet tall and got stuffed by the rim last night and he was right at the rim to start.

7' ers (which he isn't) can still be overthrown. 

Also, JO has been here long enough for us to get over his lack of physicality at the rim.  It's been 4 yrs and yet most ppl can't get over that and actually see the value he does bring. 

[MakeItRain]

JO, for the most part sucks.

fantastic insight, great take

[wabash909]

JO, for the most part sucks.

fantastic insight, great take

You're right, it's better to hyper-analyze it a thousand times over.

[MakeItRain]

JO, for the most part sucks.

fantastic insight, great take

You're right, it's better to hyper-analyze it a thousand times over.

true, not being sarcastic this time

[sonofdaxjones]

The first lob was off a little, but you don't go up one handed, the second was just fine and Jo made it absolutely comical.

He had to attack that one one handed.  it was very high and behind where JO was positioned.  He had to one hand it just to get to it.

Which is why Jo is a 7 footer, playing at about 6-6, it wasn't off by that much.

The guy is 7 feet tall and got stuffed by the rim last night and he was right at the rim to start.

He isn't quite 7 feet tall, but the fact that he plays way smaller with the ball is an absolute legit critique.

Yeah, with the ball.

Really the only thing that really bugs me about Jo are his silly fouls and his hands.   I know people get tired of hearing about his hands, but how many more times could we be all  about Jo if he'd just handle the ball cleanly??   On the fouls, straight up, don't come down with the arms/hands and go up with both hands at times keeping the other forearm off the offensive players body.   From my observation he wants to Mutumbo too many shots rather than just making the shooter adjust or slightly deflecting the ball.

To me, the two almost go hand in hand, better hands probably means more clean boards and more put backs, and fewer fouls means he's in the game more.

[kougar24]

The first lob was off a little, but you don't go up one handed, the second was just fine and Jo made it absolutely comical.

He had to attack that one one handed.  it was very high and behind where JO was positioned.  He had to one hand it just to get to it.

Which is why Jo is a 7 footer, playing at about 6-6, it wasn't off by that much.

The guy is 7 feet tall and got stuffed by the rim last night and he was right at the rim to start.

He isn't quite 7 feet tall, but the fact that he plays way smaller with the ball is an absolute legit critique.

Yeah, with the ball.

Really the only thing that really bugs me about Jo are his silly fouls and his hands.   I know people get tired of hearing about his hands, but how many more times could we be all  about Jo if he'd just handle the ball cleanly??   On the fouls, straight up, don't come down with the arms/hands and go up with both hands at times keeping the other forearm off the offensive players body.   From my observation he wants to Mutumbo too many shots rather than just making the shooter adjust or slightly deflecting the ball.

To me, the two almost go hand in hand, better hands probably means more clean boards and more put backs, and fewer fouls means he's in the game more.

Maybe I'm misremembering things, but other than last night JO hasn't been sitting due to foul trouble. He's been sitting due to shittiness.

[Belvis Noland]

I didn't think JO was bad last night.     Have not looked at stats.

Look at the stats. 

[MakeItRain]

Maybe I'm misremembering things, but other than last night JO hasn't been sitting due to foul trouble. He's been sitting due to shittiness.

He sat against ISU because the matchup was bad for him, every other both he and Gip have lost minutes because oscar insists on giving decent minutes to Nino and DJamer. There was a two game stretch where he and Gip had bad foul trouble and Weber had to use Nino and DJamer more and oscar just kind of stuck to that rotation for whatever reason.

[MakeItRain]

JO bashers, in case you missed it

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25815.msg740095#msg740095

I'm guessing many of you don't keep up with that thread, you should less chance that you'll appear to just be talking out of your asses

[Powercat Posse]

Last 6 games of last year, JO played great ball.    Dont expect him to put up those stats with this team this system.   But just for comparison=

------------- 2012 last 6 games ----- 2013 conf games (11)-------
Min/gm            31.7 (190 toal)               16.2 (178)
FTAs                 31                                 12
ORs                  32                                 16
Blocks               21                                17
Fouls                 18                                29

His fouls are a lot worse.   And 12 FTA in 11 games. Really?   So he gets to the line and shoots 2 FTs once every 30 minutes.
Luis Colon was an invisible body on offense and in 16 conf games in 2010, he shot 17 FTs (playing 15.4 min/gm).   So basicly the exact same

His 5-19 on shooting short or medium range jumpers are not what we need.  Go be a beast on the O-boards and do a better job of playing defense (thus not committing so many fouls)

[Belvis Noland]

Look, JO is a decent player.  But, under oscar's system, he just isn't doing very well in a lot of games.  Maybe oscar should change his system.  I think most fans are good with the system, though, and would prefer that JO adapt. 

It's really easy to explain away his sub-par performances as "matchup problems," but I'd argue that good players create matchup problems much more often than they do suffer from them. 

We're 11 games through Conference play and JO has been entirely ineffective in 5 of these games because of matchup problems.  KUx2, ISUx2, and OSUx1.  In these 5 games, JO's got 10 pts and 17 boards.  This is startling ineffective.  It's also startling because these just happen to be the 3 other best teams in the Conference. 

So, in other words, JO has performed well against all Conference opponents except the good ones.   

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Is JO the biggest post-foul whiner we've had recently?

[8manpick]

JO bashers, in case you missed it

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25815.msg740095#msg740095

I'm guessing many of you don't keep up with that thread, you should less chance that you'll appear to just be talking out of your asses

This

[8manpick]

Is JO the biggest post-foul whiner we've had recently?

[PIPE]

Is JO the biggest post-foul whiner we've had recently?

NO, Curtis Kelly wins that award 

[kougar24]

Is JO the biggest post-foul whiner we've had recently?

NO, Curtis Kelly wins that award 

Hence,

[MakeItRain]

Look, JO is a decent player.  But, under oscar's system, he just isn't doing very well in a lot of games.  Maybe oscar should change his system.  I think most fans are good with the system, though, and would prefer that JO adapt. 

Nice to see the softening stance. As far as JO adapting, he isn't a programmable robot, his skills are what they are and they aren't changing. I don't understand why people can't accept this for what it is. He is a bad fit for what the new coach wants to do, it isn't anyone's fault it is just the sitch. It's too bad for JO but I'm also happy for Gip that he is in a system that will allow him to be isolated on the blocks against players that he can take advantage of.

I wonder how many threads we have that are simply titled JO followed by some huffy post about why he sucks?