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Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« on: February 02, 2013, 11:20:48 PM »
Thoughts?  :dunno:


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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 11:23:01 PM »
u r dumb

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 11:24:10 PM »
u r dumb

For asking what people think about sitting a player with 2 fouls? OK KIM CARNES!

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Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 11:26:26 PM »
I don't like it.

I can't tell if it's hurting us or not.

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 11:27:18 PM »
u r dumb

For asking what people think about sitting a player with 2 fouls? OK KIM CARNES!

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 11:28:36 PM »
If we're winning the whole time without him, it's the right move.  Don't risk him getting the third unless you absolutely have to
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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 11:30:23 PM »
too conservative, not logical.
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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 11:32:24 PM »
If we're winning the whole time without him, it's the right move.  Don't risk him getting the third unless you absolutely have to

I think that's circular logic potentially, since had he played, we may have built up enough of a lead to coast to the finish rather than being at risk at the end. :dunno:

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 11:34:13 PM »
If we're winning the whole time without him, it's the right move.  Don't risk him getting the third unless you absolutely have to

I think that's circular logic potentially, since had he played, we may have built up enough of a lead to coast to the finish rather than being at risk at the end. :dunno:

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 11:42:32 PM »
Frank would offense/defense with key guys. I don't remember it ever biting him.

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 11:49:39 PM »
Bruceketball: making the rest of the team step up by benching stud Gruds

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2013, 11:57:11 PM »
Bruceketball: making the rest of the team step up by benching stud Gruds

Bruceketball seems to have so many developing dimensions and twists and turns.

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 12:16:16 AM »
Game dictates the decision IMO. If Ou was up 10 with 6:00, in the 1st hf.....I bring back Rod.

We had a 5 pt lead at half, so I'm ok with resting Rod (and Will) today

Next game could present different circumstances

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 12:22:47 AM »
Game dictates the decision IMO. If Ou was up 10 with 6:00, in the 1st hf.....I bring back Rod.

We had a 5 pt lead at half, so I'm ok with resting Rod (and Will) today

Next game could present different circumstances

All games present different circumstances, but I understand and agree with your point.

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 12:40:53 AM »
Game dictates the decision IMO. If Ou was up 10 with 6:00, in the 1st hf.....I bring back Rod.

We had a 5 pt lead at half, so I'm ok with resting Rod (and Will) today

Next game could present different circumstances

Agreed. I'm not sure that oscar could have predicted that we would come out and take a dump on the court and then use our turds to finger paint with for most of the second half. His rotations in the second half weren't great, but our offense should be able to score more than 22 points in a half. I don't think anyone has ever/or should ever make a decision to play someone in foul trouble based upon the belief that your team will only score 20 points the next half. The guy has a hard enough time keeping everyone emotionally sober, he can't be expected to predict the future as well.
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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2013, 04:14:54 PM »
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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2013, 04:18:39 PM »
I kind of go back and forth on this. Obviously you want more minutes out of your best player, and by not allowing him to play 15 in the first half due to foul trouble that's obviously not going to happen. But the other side of it is the other team is going to attack the player in foul trouble by either going at him to draw a foul, or so that he has to back off and give them an easier lane to the basket. Not sure which is more costly.

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2013, 04:36:31 PM »
If we're in the game, I rest him.  If the game has a chance to get out of hand, I play him.  I don't think anybody can find fault with how Weber has done the past two games using his strategy.  I don't think we blow OU out with Rod playing more in the first seeing as how we needed defense (fouls could effect that) and Rod wasn't exactly on fire that game (though he did hit a couple before getting benched).

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2013, 06:42:33 PM »
Like most coaching decisions, if you win its fine. So it's fine.

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2013, 07:52:03 PM »
If you think about it, you don't ever gain anything by sitting a player because of foul trouble. Points scored in the first half are just as valuable as points scored in the final minute. It's like the moneyball theory on why you shouldn't use your best reliever as just a closer.

(Note: this isn't a criticism of oscar, all coaches pretty much act the same way.)
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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2013, 08:36:50 PM »
If you think about it, you don't ever gain anything by sitting a player because of foul trouble. Points scored in the first half are just as valuable as points scored in the final minute. It's like the moneyball theory on why you shouldn't use your best reliever as just a closer.

(Note: this isn't a criticism of oscar, all coaches pretty much act the same way.)


So what do you think it is...coaches wanting to save key players for "clutch" end-of-game situations?
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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2013, 09:04:16 PM »
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The notion that minutes 12 to 8 in the first half are as valuable as minutes 4 to 0 in the second half is preposterous, and could only be spoken by someone who has never competed in anything of remote significance in their entire life.
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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2013, 10:04:26 PM »
OU was sucking in the 1st half, so don't risk number 3. If we were down 6+, play Rod to get some buckets. Anyone besides Rod and maybe Angel sits regardless. JMHO YOU GUYS.

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Re: Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2013, 10:46:42 PM »
If you think about it, you don't ever gain anything by sitting a player because of foul trouble. Points scored in the first half are just as valuable as points scored in the final minute. It's like the moneyball theory on why you shouldn't use your best reliever as just a closer.

(Note: this isn't a criticism of oscar, all coaches pretty much act the same way.)


So what do you think it is...coaches wanting to save key players for "clutch" end-of-game situations?

Yes, that's why most coaches would say they do it. But I think the bigger reason is that it's just what everyone does.

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Re: Sitting the rest of the half w/ 2 fouls
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2013, 11:01:39 PM »
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The notion that minutes 12 to 8 in the first half are as valuable as minutes 4 to 0 in the second half is preposterous, and could only be spoken by someone who has never competed in anything of remote significance in their entire life.

I tend to agree with this. In the end you can look at a game on a graph and play monday morning QB, but while the game is happening it's much more akin to sheet music, with changes in tempo and breathtaking crescendos and diminuendos. You have to have a feel for the flow of a game, not everything in sports can be judged by statistics.
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