Author Topic: How good would we be if oscar knew how to utilize JO??? (Read 6192 times)

ksupamplemousse · « **on:** January 30, 2013, 10:39:16 PM »

I mean, it's just so disheartening. I understand he has terrible hands, and commits too many silly fouls, but Nino is shorter than Nancy Reagan and gets called for about two illegal screens every game. So, wouldn't you rather have the guy who change the way the other team plays offense and can occasionally rebound the basketball if all other things are equal?

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM »

He's the only one who hasn't improved. Pick your losses. Diaz is 2nd. Overall though, name a player who hasn't improved (Will doesn't count cause he set this whole year up for himself).

wetwillie · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:16:24 PM »

I think he uses JO just about perfectly

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:21:51 PM »

Quote from: fanningksu on January 30, 2013, 11:13:42 PM

He's the only one who hasn't improved. Pick your losses. Diaz is 2nd. Overall though, name a player who hasn't improved (Will doesn't count cause he set this whole year up for himself).

I'm not arguing that he has improved from last season. He's still brings a lot more to the table than Nino does, and is more effective than DJamer at this point. I'm not asking for the guy to play 25 minutes a game, it just kills me when he spends such looong stretches on the bench. It's be nice to see him in the game a little more to show the other team a different look on defense.

AbeFroman · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:30:31 PM »

How good would we be if JO knew how to utilize JO???

MakeItRain · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:32:22 PM »

He's using JO just fine, I've been the leader of #teamJO for 3.5 seasons. Weird time to mention this.

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:41:09 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 30, 2013, 11:32:22 PM

He's using JO just fine, I've been the leader of #teamJO for 3.5 seasons. Weird time to mention this.

The reason I mentioned it tonight is because JO was playing well early on and got his ass nailed to the bench for most of the game after that. He only played 14 minutes opposed to Nino's 16 minutes. JO seems to be a player that needs some confidence if he's going to be a big time part of our team down the stretch (JO is one of two players who with improved play could really take this team to another level), and when oscar has a perfect oppy to let JO gain some confidence when he is really playing well, he instead plants him on the bench for most of the game. It seems like a wasted opportunity to me, no?

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:41:19 PM »

I heard that JO has some pretty serious back problems. Is that true?

MakeItRain · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:52:37 PM »

Quote from: ksudeuce on January 30, 2013, 11:41:09 PM

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 30, 2013, 11:32:22 PM
He's using JO just fine, I've been the leader of #teamJO for 3.5 seasons. Weird time to mention this.

The reason I mentioned it tonight is because JO was playing well early on and got his ass nailed to the bench for most of the game after that. He only played 14 minutes opposed to Nino's 16 minutes. JO seems to be a player that needs some confidence if he's going to be a big time part of our team down the stretch (JO is one of two players who with improved play could really take this team to another level), and when oscar has a perfect oppy to let JO gain some confidence when he is really playing well, he instead plants him on the bench for most of the game. It seems like a wasted opportunity to me, no?

It was weird because of how well we played, I would hope. JO is smart enough to know that his minutes were down because oscar expanded the rotation tonight because of the flow of the game. I do like JO starting, it may work for protecting he and Gip from early foul trouble, worked tonight.

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:57:42 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 30, 2013, 11:52:37 PM

Quote from: ksudeuce on January 30, 2013, 11:41:09 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on January 30, 2013, 11:32:22 PM
He's using JO just fine, I've been the leader of #teamJO for 3.5 seasons. Weird time to mention this.

The reason I mentioned it tonight is because JO was playing well early on and got his ass nailed to the bench for most of the game after that. He only played 14 minutes opposed to Nino's 16 minutes. JO seems to be a player that needs some confidence if he's going to be a big time part of our team down the stretch (JO is one of two players who with improved play could really take this team to another level), and when oscar has a perfect oppy to let JO gain some confidence when he is really playing well, he instead plants him on the bench for most of the game. It seems like a wasted opportunity to me, no?

It was weird because of how well we played, I would hope. JO is smart enough to know that his minutes were down because oscar expanded the rotation tonight because of the flow of the game. I do like JO starting, it may work for protecting he and Gip from early foul trouble, worked tonight.

I like him starting as well, I feel like it sets a better defensive tone from the get-go. I understand WHY oscar trimmed his minutes tonight, but JO seems to have a fragile psyche and anytime oscar can play him when he's going like that, well then I feel like you need to do it, score be damned.

sys · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2013, 12:23:27 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 30, 2013, 11:52:37 PM

JO is smart enough to know that his minutes were down because oscar expanded the rotation tonight.

false. source aaa.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2013, 12:37:19 AM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on January 30, 2013, 11:41:19 PM

I heard that JO has some pretty serious back problems. Is that true?

I have heard this too. Now the word serious may be overdoing it, but his back has issues

MakeItRain · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2013, 02:16:18 AM »

Quote from: sys on January 31, 2013, 12:23:27 AM

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 30, 2013, 11:52:37 PM
JO is smart enough to know that his minutes were down because oscar expanded the rotation tonight.

false. source aaa.

lol

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2013, 07:17:04 AM »

How does oscar Weber handle the misapplication of personal responsibilities on the part of his players, and are the players personally responsible for certain items in the pregame environment under oscar Weber like they were under Frank Martin? There are other variables, but until we know the answer to the question, the other variables are irrelevant.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2013, 07:22:58 AM »

Rarely is there an occasion where there is an either/or with Nino and JO. Its JO/Gip at the 5, and Gip played his best game of the season and had 21 minutes while JO played 14. The other minutes JO or Gip didn't play at the 5 were probably played by DJamer, and we also had about 2 minutes of JV time. The math is not hard; there are 40 minutes in a game for JO/Gip to split, with a handful occasionally going to someone else. And they don't play together.

Nino took a few minutes from Shane maybe tonight, but Shane also played some at the 3 while Rod was in foul trouble.

pissclams · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2013, 07:42:51 AM »

how good would this board be if ksudeuce knew how to bbs???

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2013, 09:17:45 AM »

Quote from: ksudeuce on January 30, 2013, 10:39:16 PM

I mean, it's just so disheartening. I understand he has terrible hands, and commits too many silly fouls, but Nino is shorter than Nancy Reagan and gets called for about two illegal screens every game. So, wouldn't you rather have the guy who change the way the other team plays offense and can occasionally rebound the basketball if all other things are equal?

stopped reading

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2013, 11:41:43 AM »

Does Angel lob to JO anymore? Seemed like he was doing that a lot last year.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2013, 12:11:01 PM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2013, 11:41:43 AM

Does Angel lob to JO anymore? Seemed like he was doing that a lot last year.

The most frequent lob of the year is Sprads to Rod.

The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2013, 12:16:37 PM »

Quote from: pissclams on January 31, 2013, 07:42:51 AM

how good would this board be if ksudeuce knew how to bbs???

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2013, 12:40:11 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 31, 2013, 07:22:58 AM

Rarely is there an occasion where there is an either/or with Nino and JO. Its JO/Gip at the 5, and Gip played his best game of the season and had 21 minutes while JO played 14. The other minutes JO or Gip didn't play at the 5 were probably played by DJamer, and we also had about 2 minutes of JV time. The math is not hard; there are 40 minutes in a game for JO/Gip to split, with a handful occasionally going to someone else. And they don't play together.

Nino took a few minutes from Shane maybe tonight, but Shane also played some at the 3 while Rod was in foul trouble.

Yes, I understand what IS happening right now, that is why I proposed a hypothetical question about an alternate universe where oscar didn't have some weird excuse about Rodney's effectiveness to explain why JO and Gip don't play at the same time. Nino has shown us over the past few games that he just doesn't have anything to give against the Big XII. So, I think you've got to get JO and Gip on the floor at the same time for part of the game. The more that oscar can turn that into a 3 man rotation down low, the better imo. Nino gives us nothing right now.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2013, 01:13:44 PM »

Quote from: ksudeuce on January 31, 2013, 12:40:11 PM

an alternate universe where oscar didn't have some weird excuse about Rodney's effectiveness to explain why JO and Gip don't play at the same time

I haven't heard this.

I think JO/Gip play the 5 because Shane plays the bulk of the minutes at the 4. I don't really have a problem with it and I think JO and Gip in the game at the same time wouldn't be good for the offense.

Nino absolutely needs to quit shooting unless he's within 10 feet of the basket, but he hasn't been a detriment in Big 12 play IMO.

pissclams · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2013, 01:35:47 PM »

the JO - Gip tag team allows oscar to protect his two best big men from foul trouble and play the motion game that oscar wants to. and it's been effective. running gip/JO off curl screens just doesn't seem like it would work quite as well in our offense, but maybe i'm crazy

i will be interested to see our starting 5 versus baylor, though.

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2013, 01:40:00 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 31, 2013, 01:13:44 PM

Quote from: ksudeuce on January 31, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
an alternate universe where oscar didn't have some weird excuse about Rodney's effectiveness to explain why JO and Gip don't play at the same time

I haven't heard this.

I think JO/Gip play the 5 because Shane plays the bulk of the minutes at the 4. I don't really have a problem with it and I think JO and Gip in the game at the same time wouldn't be good for the offense.

Nino absolutely needs to quit shooting unless he's within 10 feet of the basket, but he hasn't been a detriment in Big 12 play IMO.

He hasn't been anything in Big XII play is the problem. It's like playing 4 on 5 while he is out there. He's good for a 1 or 2 buckets every 15-20 minutes, but he's also good for 1-2 illegal screens (TO) and 1-2 17 foot jumpers (as good as a turnover). On the defensive end he doesn't get beat really, but the guy is like 6'5 1/2" so when he is standing there like a statue with his hands straight up, they just shoot the ball over him for easy buckets. Also, you're right about Shane playing most of the minutes at the four, but I think it would be nice to try and get JO and Gipson out there together when Shane is taking a breather. Would it really destroy our offensive rhythm to go big for 10 minutes a game? Because I think it would disrupt the other team's offensive flow, much more than it would disrupt ours.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2013, 01:49:50 PM »

Quote from: ksudeuce on January 31, 2013, 01:40:00 PM

He hasn't been anything in Big XII play is the problem. It's like playing 4 on 5 while he is out there. He's good for a 1 or 2 buckets every 15-20 minutes, but he's also good for 1-2 illegal screens (TO) and 1-2 17 foot jumpers (as good as a turnover). On the defensive end he doesn't get beat really, but the guy is like 6'5 1/2" so when he is standing there like a statue with his hands straight up, they just shoot the ball over him for easy buckets. Also, you're right about Shane playing most of the minutes at the four, but I think it would be nice to try and get JO and Gipson out there together when Shane is taking a breather. Would it really destroy our offensive rhythm to go big for 10 minutes a game? Because I think it would disrupt the other team's offensive flow, much more than it would disrupt ours.

The thought of JO/Gip being relied on to do what Shane is able to do at the 4 (and what that allows the other players to do) for any significant stretch of time in oscar's offense isn't a pretty picture IMO.

And IMHO you are undervaluing Nino's impact, just look at his per 100 stats. His points per 100 in Big 12 play is solid. He's 3rd behind JO and Gip in Oboarding. He's our 4th best big (counting Shane) in Dboarding. He's 2nd to Shane among bigs in steals. Those per 100 stats don't lie, and Nino has played nearly 1/3 of the Big 12 possessions, which is significant enough to give solid stats (I don't really factor DJamer or Diaz in the per 100 strongly b/c neither has played 1/4 of the possessions).