College basketball is okay, not great

[MakeItRain]

With Weber's desired style, would a shorter shot clock, defensive 3 sec's etc. etc. help or hurt.  I am inclined to think help. 

Now I admit, I do watch some NBA games and actually enjoy them more than I did, but I just don't follow it that closely, so when you reference hand checking in the NBA, are they allowing more of it or less?  (honestly don't know) 

I don't want to see a shorter shot clock in college.  The guards aren't skilled enough and they would be getting into their offensive sets way too late and there would just be more terrible shots.  I think this would further separate the haves from the have nots as a shorter shot clock puts a premium on athleticism and skill.  I don't think Weber's offense would work as well having 14 seconds to find an open shot as opposed to 25.

Women having a shorter shot clock is further interesting considering that they don't have a 10 second backcourt count.

[bigwillie20]

also we should eliminate the 3 point line to make it tougher for those pesky upstarts

Looking forward to this in March 

[michigancat]

With Weber's desired style, would a shorter shot clock, defensive 3 sec's etc. etc. help or hurt.  I am inclined to think help. 

Now I admit, I do watch some NBA games and actually enjoy them more than I did, but I just don't follow it that closely, so when you reference hand checking in the NBA, are they allowing more of it or less?  (honestly don't know) 

I don't want to see a shorter shot clock in college.  The guards aren't skilled enough and they would be getting into their offensive sets way too late and there would just be more terrible shots.  I think this would further separate the haves from the have nots as a shorter shot clock puts a premium on athleticism and skill.  I don't think Weber's offense would work as well having 14 seconds to find an open shot as opposed to 25.

Women having a shorter shot clock is further interesting considering that they don't have a 10 second backcourt count.

yeah, eventually you'd have to have much more transition offense instead of over-thinking college coaching dumbasses demanding stupid ass sets.

[sonofdaxjones]

What about clamping down on the contact and the grinding, wouldn't that seemingly free up a motion style offense??? . . . the other points about sets, and getting somebody open with a shorter shot clock and a motion style offense make sense.  Would be interesting to see what K-State's average time before the first shot of each possession goes up.

[MakeItRain]

With Weber's desired style, would a shorter shot clock, defensive 3 sec's etc. etc. help or hurt.  I am inclined to think help. 

Now I admit, I do watch some NBA games and actually enjoy them more than I did, but I just don't follow it that closely, so when you reference hand checking in the NBA, are they allowing more of it or less?  (honestly don't know) 

I don't want to see a shorter shot clock in college.  The guards aren't skilled enough and they would be getting into their offensive sets way too late and there would just be more terrible shots.  I think this would further separate the haves from the have nots as a shorter shot clock puts a premium on athleticism and skill.  I don't think Weber's offense would work as well having 14 seconds to find an open shot as opposed to 25.

Women having a shorter shot clock is further interesting considering that they don't have a 10 second backcourt count.

yeah, eventually you'd have to have much more transition offense instead of over-thinking college coaching dumbasses demanding stupid ass sets.

There are 300+ D1 teams, 60+ "high major teams." I don't think there are nor will there ever be enough good guards to make this watchable.  The defenses won't get any worse.  I really don't think I could stand to see 99% of these college teams forced to play up tempo because they have to get shots off.

[MakeItRain]

What about clamping down on the contact and the grinding, wouldn't that seemingly free up a motion style offense???

That's certainly an issue, but the lack of skill is a more prevalent one. Can you imagine what will happen when they inevitably let HS grads back in the draft? Woof!  There needs to be serious rule modifications to make this sport more watchable.  I don't think the shot clock is the answer, but I do think there should be defensive rule changes. Just insisting/asking/hoping officials to call it tighter isn't a reasonable solution.

[michigancat]

With Weber's desired style, would a shorter shot clock, defensive 3 sec's etc. etc. help or hurt.  I am inclined to think help. 

Now I admit, I do watch some NBA games and actually enjoy them more than I did, but I just don't follow it that closely, so when you reference hand checking in the NBA, are they allowing more of it or less?  (honestly don't know) 

I don't want to see a shorter shot clock in college.  The guards aren't skilled enough and they would be getting into their offensive sets way too late and there would just be more terrible shots.  I think this would further separate the haves from the have nots as a shorter shot clock puts a premium on athleticism and skill.  I don't think Weber's offense would work as well having 14 seconds to find an open shot as opposed to 25.

Women having a shorter shot clock is further interesting considering that they don't have a 10 second backcourt count.

yeah, eventually you'd have to have much more transition offense instead of over-thinking college coaching dumbasses demanding stupid ass sets.

There are 300+ D1 teams, 60+ "high major teams." I don't think there are nor will there ever be enough good guards to make this watchable.  The defenses won't get any worse.  I really don't think I could stand to see 99% of these college teams forced to play up tempo because they have to get shots off.

It would evolve. I mean, we could be doing so much more with Angel if we had a shorter shot clock. Guards would be given more freedom and more emphasis would be placed in development of scoring off the dribble. (at least for good coaches).

[star seed 7]

When i try to watch the nba, i don't enjoy it because everyone is too good. Seems like every shot falls, and it's boring to me.

For similar reasons i like college fb more than the nfl.

[michigancat]

When i try to watch the nba, i don't enjoy it because everyone is too good. Seems like every shot falls, and it's boring to me.

For similar reasons i like college fb more than the nfl.

there isn't a team in the NBA that shoots over 50%.

[CNS]

When i try to watch the nba, i don't enjoy it because everyone is too good. Seems like every shot falls, and it's boring to me.

For similar reasons i like college fb more than the nfl.

The whole NBA thing seems less tense.  I like like the tension.  Maybe that is I emotionally place the tension on the game, but I don't think that is the case.  I get this from games that have two teams I care nothing about.

[_33]

With Weber's desired style, would a shorter shot clock, defensive 3 sec's etc. etc. help or hurt.  I am inclined to think help. 

Now I admit, I do watch some NBA games and actually enjoy them more than I did, but I just don't follow it that closely, so when you reference hand checking in the NBA, are they allowing more of it or less?  (honestly don't know) 

I don't want to see a shorter shot clock in college.  The guards aren't skilled enough and they would be getting into their offensive sets way too late and there would just be more terrible shots.  I think this would further separate the haves from the have nots as a shorter shot clock puts a premium on athleticism and skill.  I don't think Weber's offense would work as well having 14 seconds to find an open shot as opposed to 25.

Women having a shorter shot clock is further interesting considering that they don't have a 10 second backcourt count.

yeah, eventually you'd have to have much more transition offense instead of over-thinking college coaching dumbasses demanding stupid ass sets.

There are 300+ D1 teams, 60+ "high major teams." I don't think there are nor will there ever be enough good guards to make this watchable.  The defenses won't get any worse.  I really don't think I could stand to see 99% of these college teams forced to play up tempo because they have to get shots off.

That's why you would have to also adopt rules that would make the game less physical (especially in the back court as it relates to guards bumping, riding and hand checking out top) and obviously adopting a defensive 3 second rule.  Defenses would get "worse" in that they would be able to play as physical and they couldn't clog up the lane.

[p1k3]

  It just has kind of a ticky tack, corporate feel to it compared to the atmosphere at AFH and other college venues.  I like the pep band, the student section, the tradition, the coaching legacies.  College basketball just feels more "real" to me, if that makes any sense.   

Good point. I feel this way for any pro team/sport.

[Stevesie60]

There is way more tension in a NCAABB game than an NBA game, but man it's fun to watch an NBA game every once in a while just to see the insane shots/plays that those players can consistently make.

[mocat]

When i try to watch the nba, i don't enjoy it because everyone is too good. Seems like every shot falls, and it's boring to me.

For similar reasons i like college fb more than the nfl.

The whole NBA thing seems less tense.  I like like the tension.  Maybe that is I emotionally place the tension on the game, but I don't think that is the case.  I get this from games that have two teams I care nothing about.

Same problem as MLB: too many games in the regular season.