But, but, but... I thought Obama was a spending whore?

[camKSU]

The notion that Pres. Obama is spending out of control is nonsense outside of the DoD. Furthermore, the ACA (Obamacare) helps to get rising healthcare costs under control by mandating coverage, minimum benefits, premium usage helping with entitlement spending in the long run as well. In hindsight, on a macroeconomic sense, the stimulus in 2009 was too small and did not shore up the lack of private spending with public spending, which partially can be associated with the overall sluggish recovery. To that point, I guess I just don't understand the deficit hawks squawking now when under W, removed from the magnitude of the 2008-2009 recession, the massive escalation of spending was acceptable.

I know these are what intellectuals call "charts" and that they are based on "figures" and "math and science". So feel free to disregard if it is too hard to comprehend.

[_33]

I've seen charts where it looks like spending has gone way up under Obama.  Hmmmm, something fishy is going on here.

[TheHamburglar]

Do it without the state and local governments spending. 

[camKSU]

Do it without the state and local governments spending.

How would that affect the charts? State and Local has gone down so much that it negates federal? I don't think so...

[camKSU]

I've seen charts where it looks like spending has gone way up under Obama.  Hmmmm, something fishy is going on here.

Worthless without pics

[Cartierfor3]

Its funny to me how "spending not increasing as fast as it did under W" is the talking point of Obama's fiscal record defenders. W is the standard they hold him to.  George W Bush. 

[p1k3]

ACA wont help insurance costs, but thats another thread

[star seed 7]

Its funny to me how "spending not increasing as fast as it did under W" is the talking point of Obama's fiscal record defenders. W is the standard they hold him to.  George W Bush.

it's more funny that people think having a r or d in office will change spending one bit.

[8manpick]

Its funny to me how "spending not increasing as fast as it did under W" is the talking point of Obama's fiscal record defenders. W is the standard they hold him to.  George W Bush.

Not saying that doesn't happen, but that chart shows per capita spending going down, not increasing slower...

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

[star seed 7]

clinton 

[Cartierfor3]

Its funny to me how "spending not increasing as fast as it did under W" is the talking point of Obama's fiscal record defenders. W is the standard they hold him to.  George W Bush.

Not saying that doesn't happen, but that chart shows per capita spending going down, not increasing slower...

Dude, that chart is spin.  Per capita spending is meaningless, increasing the deficit is what is more indicative of responsible government. 

Its not a magic trick, you just use google to find a chart to back up your side of the debate.  Watch I can do it too.

Deficit:


Spending and revenue as a percentage of GDP:


Spending increases:


More Deficit!:

[star seed 7]

pretty sure this thread is just solidifying clinton as gpotusoat.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Note Democratic control of Congress 2006-2010, Republican Control of Congress most of the years Clinton showed "a surplus" (but the national debt increased because intra-governmental borrowing aka throwing billions of IOU's into the "lockboxes" was taking place)

[Cartierfor3]

pretty sure this thread is just solidifying clinton as gpotusoat.

 

More than anything he had the advantage of an economic boom. 

[star seed 7]

pretty sure this thread is just solidifying clinton as gpotusoat.

 

More than anything he had the advantage of an economic boom.

and not having w start a few wars for him.

[Cartierfor3]

pretty sure this thread is just solidifying clinton as gpotusoat.

 

More than anything he had the advantage of an economic boom.

and not having w start a few wars for him.

It all comes back to W for some of you. 

[star seed 7]

it's pretty ignorant to not count his contributions to the current economy.  just because obama hasn't "fixed" it, doesn't mean w was less of a eff up.

[camKSU]

The worst recession since the depression (while concurrently spending on two wars, a financial bailout, etc..) didn't have anything to do with this, huh?

[sonofdaxjones]

The worst recession since the depression (while concurrently spending on two wars, a financial bailout, etc..) didn't have anything to do with this, huh?

Democrats were swept into control of Congress in 2006 on promises of War Extraction, Getting Big Oil/Energy Policy, Deficit Reduction and Debt Reduction.

Fail, Fail, Fail and Fail

[camKSU]

It's funny that the fact that we are just now coming out of the greatest recession we have had since the great depression doesn't factor into your charts or graphs.

And certainly, I am willing to admit that we need to both decrease spending and increase revenue in the future to solve our debt and deficit situation, i.e. ending the war on drugs, stop policing the world, ending drug benefits for wealthy seniors, to name a few. But to say that the President has a spending problem is a little short sided and hypocritical given the recent past, given previous administrations and congresses without so much as a peep, and given what the current issues being tackled are.

[camKSU]

Democrats were swept into control of Congress in 2006 on promises of War Extraction

Success - While I wish it could have happen quicker, what did you want them to do... drop their guns and walk off the battlefield?

Getting Big Oil/Energy Policy

Success-Not only encouraging increases in oil and gas production, but also increased invest in alternate energy.

Deficit Reduction and Debt Reduction.

I'm a little confused on this one, but I don't vividly recall this being the party's national platform for the 2006 elections. Rather I believe it had to deal with more of the above two as well as getting us out of the crap storm that W had caused.

[_33]

It's funny that the fact that we are just now coming out of the greatest recession we have had since the great depression doesn't factor into your charts or graphs.

And certainly, I am willing to admit that we need to both decrease spending and increase revenue in the future to solve our debt and deficit situation, i.e. ending the war on drugs, stop policing the world, ending drug benefits for wealthy seniors, to name a few. But to say that the President has a spending problem is a little short sided and hypocritical given the recent past, given previous administrations and congresses without so much as a peep, and given what the current issues being tackled are.

camKSU, what if everything you believe about politics was wrong?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

pretty sure this thread is just solidifying clinton as gpotusoat.

 

The greatest thing about the Clinton years was his lack of power. The Congress set the agenda, and he signed the bills/budgets. W had too much power, as did Obama for 2 years.

[camKSU]

It's funny that the fact that we are just now coming out of the greatest recession we have had since the great depression doesn't factor into your charts or graphs.

And certainly, I am willing to admit that we need to both decrease spending and increase revenue in the future to solve our debt and deficit situation, i.e. ending the war on drugs, stop policing the world, ending drug benefits for wealthy seniors, to name a few. But to say that the President has a spending problem is a little short sided and hypocritical given the recent past, given previous administrations and congresses without so much as a peep, and given what the current issues being tackled are.

camKSU, what if everything you believe about politics was wrong?

C'est la vie... the sun will come up tomorrow. I was a brainwashed conservative growing up and after getting out of my bubble, getting an education, and travelling the world I have come to see things in a different light. Spending time in democratic socialism, I witnessed alot of areas where we should strive for the same socio-economic equality. If I am wrong, then the rich won't get richer while the proletariat get less services, the rich won't continue to rig the system to keep the poor and middle class (not to mention gays/women/and ethnics) "in their place".