2013 Season Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors (regular season adv stats)

[kso_FAN]

VERY limited sample size of only 2 to 4 games, but here are the overall conference only efficiency numbers and 4 factors for Big 12 games only. Sorted in each category by the difference between offense and defense for each team.

[ksupamplemousse]

If we can shore up our turnover percentage, then I think we've got a real shot to finish second in the league. I've give up on FTR with oscar...just not gonna happen.

[kso_FAN]

If we can shore up our turnover percentage, then I think we've got a real shot to finish second in the league. I've give up on FTR with oscar...just not gonna happen.

It will be interesting to see how FTR differential plays out this year.

Here are last year's final numbers for league games:



This team (with mostly the same group of players) was decent at getting to the foul line, but because we fouled so much and sent other teams to the FT line, our FTR was a net loss on the season in league play.

So far overall this year's team for the entire season has a slight advantage (Off FTR = 35%, Def FTR = 33.6%), but not in our 2 Big 12 games.

Its weird to not see Missouri and aTm on there.

[mocat]

If we can shore up our turnover percentage, then I think we've got a real shot to finish second in the league. I've give up on FTR with oscar...just not gonna happen.

It will be interesting to see how FTR differential plays out this year.

Here are last year's final numbers for league games:



This team (with mostly the same group of players) was decent at getting to the foul line, but because we fouled so much and sent other teams to the FT line, our FTR was a net loss on the season in league play.

So far overall this year's team for the entire season has a slight advantage (Off FTR = 35%, Def FTR = 33.6%), but not in our 2 Big 12 games.

Its weird to not see Missouri and aTm on there.

Jamar fouled out of like, every game.

[kso_FAN]

Jamar fouled out of like, every game.

And last year was actually improved to only give up a Def FTR of 43.4%. The previous 3 years Frank's teams gave up 48.0%, 49.7%, and 51.8% in the Big 12. Only 2009-10 when we had a Off FTR of 51.1% did we finish with a net advantage for the Big 12 season.

[kougar24]

I love these. And it makes sense that the motion O is the death of FTR.

[kso_FAN]

The KU game last night was the worst offensive efficiency and shooting game ever for a Scott Drew team. That includes his first few years building there.

[kougar24]

The KU game last night was the worst offensive efficiency and shooting game ever for a Scott Drew team. That includes his first few years building there.

Amazing that leaving your bigs on the low block while your midget guards try to drive into the congested lane against KU didn't produce more positive results...

[Powercat Posse]

Its only 2 games but our eFG% and our Def OR% are solid.   Be great if we could keep our eFG% above 50 for the entire conf season

These first 2 league games only allowing 23.3 OR% and add in the Fla game (allowed 28.4)...... its nice to see us hitting the def boards here of late

[kso_FAN]

Be great if we could keep our eFG% above 50 for the entire conf season

It would be significant, Beasley's year is the only one we've shot 50% or better (league games only) in the last 10 years (and probably ever in the Big 12).

And maintaining that defensive rebounding would be more significant; K-State has never been under 30% in OR% allowed (consistently 31-33%, even going back to Wooly).

[Powercat Posse]

Well counting the Fla game and 3 Big12 games (not counting 2 games at home (UMKC/SD St) where we were not full strength)...

1.09 ppp
53.3 eFG%
99-213 fg (46.5%)
29-72 3pt (40.3%)
16.9 TO%
+6.0 Reb margain
46.0 Def eFG% (only allowed 15 3s while we have made 29)
27.5 OR% allowed

I like the looks of these numbers...... Keep it going vs OU this Saturday

[kso_FAN]

Shooting is working itself out as this team (expecially Rod) figures out the motion offense. 6 of the last 7 games we've shot 49% or better. At this point it almost looks like Rod was built for this offense, Doherty made a lot of dumb comments, but I did think his comparison to Alford in Knight's motion offense back in the day was pretty fair. Rod just looks really comfortable now and the other guys can play off of him.

[Powercat Posse]

4 gms--
54.4 eFG%
1.10 ppp
40.6% 3pt
16.8 to%
1.55 asst/To ratio
 

[kso_FAN]

Best shooting team in the Big 12. Feels weird.

#bruceketball

[catzacker]

like, are the posessions, OR% and FT rate indicators of problem(s) that are masked by our eFG?

[ChiComCat]

being low in OR% and FT rate are both stranger to me than the shooting thing

[Stevesie60]

like, are the posessions, OR% and FT rate indicators of problem(s) that are masked by our eFG?

I'd say TO% probably helps mask it, too.

[sys]

like, are the posessions, OR% and FT rate indicators of problem(s) that are masked by our eFG?

possessions doesn't matter.  i'm not real concerned about oboarding or ft rate with this team, they should improve, just as efg will likely get worse.  maintaining a very good to rate is probably the most crucial to continued success.  but it's not like kstate is playing inspired bball.  an efficiency difference of about 0.1, having already  played two of the four clearly inferior teams is nothing to brag about.

[kso_FAN]

like, are the posessions, OR% and FT rate indicators of problem(s) that are masked by our eFG?

possessions doesn't matter.  i'm not real concerned about oboarding or ft rate with this team, they should improve, just as efg will likely get worse.  maintaining a very good to rate is probably the most crucial to continued success.  but it's not like kstate is playing inspired bball.  an efficiency difference of about 0.1, having already  played two of the four clearly inferior teams is nothing to brag about.

Meh, West Virginia is good enough to play a lot of teams close unless Bob loses them. Look at their Eff Dif, its not like anyone (in the Big 12) is blowing them out.

The 4 factors are listed in the order that they matter for winning and losing. If we can maintain a good Off eFG% (above 50%) its better than anything else we could do. And if we maintain a good eFG% AND TO% on offense, then OR% and FTR matter even less. We just aren't used to doing either very well on offense, though Frank's defense always evened it up, especially with TO%.

[Stevesie60]

Question: We led the Big 12 in rebounding margin going into the game and OU dominated us getting boards yesterday. Did they do something different to give them an advantage or did we just have an off day? Or have we just played teams that suck at rebounding?

[kso_FAN]

Question: We led the Big 12 in rebounding margin going into the game and OU dominated us getting boards yesterday. Did they do something different to give them an advantage or did we just have an off day? Or have we just played teams that suck at rebounding?

Its early, so its a big skewed, but we have played the 3 best Big 12 teams in terms of rebounding differential. Of course, all 3 of those teams played us too.

I did think OU made it a point not to let us get on the offensive glass, though we were better in the 2nd half.

You have to keep in mind that when you shoot well, your opportunities to get offensive boards go down as well.

[catzacker]

Question: We led the Big 12 in rebounding margin going into the game and OU dominated us getting boards yesterday. Did they do something different to give them an advantage or did we just have an off day? Or have we just played teams that suck at rebounding?

Its early, so its a big skewed, but we have played the 3 best Big 12 teams in terms of rebounding differential. Of course, all 3 of those teams played us too.

I did think OU made it a point not to let us get on the offensive glass, though we were better in the 2nd half.

You have to keep in mind that when you shoot well, your opportunities to get offensive boards go down as well.

yeah, this is kind of the point I was trying to make.  we've got a good eFG, but when that goes to hell (I don't see us being at that level as we work through our road games), will the other come up to offset? or will they remain the same?

[kso_FAN]

Question: We led the Big 12 in rebounding margin going into the game and OU dominated us getting boards yesterday. Did they do something different to give them an advantage or did we just have an off day? Or have we just played teams that suck at rebounding?

Its early, so its a big skewed, but we have played the 3 best Big 12 teams in terms of rebounding differential. Of course, all 3 of those teams played us too.

I did think OU made it a point not to let us get on the offensive glass, though we were better in the 2nd half.

You have to keep in mind that when you shoot well, your opportunities to get offensive boards go down as well.

yeah, this is kind of the point I was trying to make.  we've got a good eFG, but when that goes to hell (I don't see us being at that level as we work through our road games), will the other come up to offset? or will they remain the same?

Great question, we'll have to see. I do think that oboarding must get better in Big 12 play for us to be a 12 or more win team. I'm not sure we'll match the 40+% we were regularly under Frank, but I think we need to get back up to 35-38% on OR%.

[Powercat Posse]

Counting the 6 BCS schools and the Mt West..... In conf games, we are 2nd in Asst/TO margain (1.55)
And we are 5th in eFG%

Also great to see we are =
2nd in Big 12 play in TO%
1st in Big 12 play in Def TO%
1st in Big 12 play with 40.5% from 3pt (2nd with 32 made 3s)
 
And best in Big 12 play only allowing 13 made 3s.... which figures into only 15.9% of our opp pts coming from 3pt shots (or 3pt distribution)

[sys]

Meh, West Virginia is good enough to play a lot of teams close unless Bob loses them. Look at their Eff Dif, its not like anyone (in the Big 12) is blowing them out.

i'm looking at the adv stats, _fan (the ones in this thread).  wvu's efficiency diffs included.

those stats indicate fairly clearly (although the small sample size makes conclusions iffy), that the big 12 has six good to decent teams, all of which are fairly even, and four teams that are significantly worse.  if your point is just that wvu is closer to the decent teams than it is to tcu, fine.  point taken.  but if your point is that kstate's 4-0 record is more predictive of their quality of play than their 0.10 efficiency diff because wvu is better than tcu, then sorry, point refused.