If we don't beat TCU by 20...

[Stevesie60]

kenpom has TCU with about an 18% chance of not winning another game this year. 

What are their chances if you take out the Tech games? Over 50%?

[Cartierfor3]

2. Reading all this, why did you want to give Wooly more years? Honest question. What did you see that you thought warranted Wooly getting more time?

Its hard to overstate how low the expectations were for KSU hoops when I showed up on campus (fall 01).  No one gave an EFF.  I heard numerous discussions in the 01-06 era about who would win between our mens and womens team.  People like Wooly, he won a couple big games, had some nice recruits, and no one really gave much of an EFF in general about winning (yes I know there were outliers). 

You know how Royals fans are now?  That's kinda how KSU hoops fans were when I showed up.  Only less cynical and nicer really. 

[pissclams]

i'd give it to ku football just because the $ potential is so much greater

Maybe rev potential/failure is the best measure here.

i thought so

[slimz]

We should win and win easily, but don't be surprised if its not uglied up and closer than it should be for at least a half. TCU is the slowest playing team in the league and has decent defensive numbers, so they can do some things to keep it close.

Woolyball!

Not really.

Wooly had one of the better 3PT shooters in K-State history in Cartier Martin and had teams that shot decently from 3 (upper 30s), but insisted on his "fools gold" philosophy and as a result his teams consistently shot fewer 3s compared to 2s than most other teams in the country. And his teams were poor at shooting 2s and didn't oboard particularly well.

Also Wooly's philosophy on defense didn't pressure the ball, so his defenses didn't force TOs AND teams consistently had high assists% on made shots. Teams could run their offense and get good shots.

We'll see in the long run, but oscar at least lets his teams play with some aggressiveness on defense (forcing TOs, low assist% for opponents) and has maintained oboarding as a strength which is about as opposite as Wooly ball as you can get.

 

Maybe I'm repressing my memories from the era, but it sure seemed like Wooly's teams played pretty slow, using most of the shot clock themselves and, thanks to the non-aggressive nature of the D camping out inside the arc, forcing other teams to use a lot of shot clock, even though the other team would usually eventually wind up getting a good shot. I mean, 59-55 was pretty much the poster child for that. And as a result the points allowed per game usually looked OK.

I probably should have left out the "uglied" part of the quote. It was ugly, all right, but not in the "technical" sense of o-boarding and aggressive, physical D like we usually use it around here.

[kso_FAN]

Wooly's teams played slow, but not to the extreme. His last few years were mid to upper 60s paced on average; it was faster than Doc Sadler ball for example. The nonaggression nature of his coaching and his teams probably made it seem slower than it was.

[pissclams]

read this write up of the TCU/Baylor game from the TCU newspaper, it's depressing
http://www.tcu360.com/mens-basketball/2013/01/16724.mens-basketball-falls-baylor-51-40

[captaincrap]

i'd give it to ku football just because the $ potential is so much greater

It's a tough one.  I mean, KU should be much better at fb given what they are willing to pay, the conference, the proximity to the metro area, etc.

That said, how hard is it to find 5-7 decent bb players in the middle of texas? 

Maybe rev potential/failure is the best measure here.

Football is the single most important budget item in college sports, it's not close. If a school is terrible at either MBB or FB, the second one is infinitely more damaging to the overall health of the dept.

[StarsBravesKSU]

Anyone going to the game on Wednesday? I'm thinking about it.

I'll probably be there.  I live about 15 minutes away and I don't head back to Manhattan til Friday.

[SleepFighter]

kenpom has TCU with about an 18% chance of not winning another game this year. 

What are their chances if you take out the Tech games? Over 50%?

They've already lost to Tech at home.

[Stevesie60]

[ChiComCat]

Odd how much Ken Pom hates us when we beat his #1

[Stevesie60]

Odd how much Ken Pom hates us when we beat his #1

He tweeted after the OSU game that he was on the oscar Weber bandwagon.

[8manpick]

Odd how much Ken Pom hates us when we beat his #1

He tweeted after the OSU game that he was on the oscar Weber bandwagon.

well eff him then

[ChiComCat]

He needs to adjust his formula to accurately rank K-State, everyone else's rankings be damned

[SleepFighter]

He needs to adjust his formula to accurately rank K-State, everyone else's rankings be damned

His formula thinks our defense is pretty good, but our offense is garbage. 

[kso_FAN]

He needs to adjust his formula to accurately rank K-State, everyone else's rankings be damned

His formula thinks our defense is pretty good, but our offense is garbage. 

Its justifiable, we shot awful a good portion of the season. We've been much better lately.

[kso_FAN]

A little more about TCU.

Offensively they are awful, probably the worst offense in Big 12 basketball history. Currently they average less than .9 points per possession for the season which no Big 12 team has ever managed. They shoot 45%, 44% on 2s, and turn the ball over 23% of the time, all numbers that put them in the bottom 1/5 of college basketball. Defensively they are okay, but with offense that bad it really doesn't matter.

They did muddy up the game (54 possessions!) against Baylor last weekend and actually led at halftime 22-21. Baylor eventually went on a 17-4 run and put the game away. This is actually a game that might be a first one to 50 wins.

Cats 65-Frogs 48.

[ednksu]

sometimes i scroll through threads and stop to read _Fan posts only

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Cat's win 21-19. Rodney will sack their QB in the endzone to break the tie as time expires.

[bigwillie20]

Cat's win 21-19. Rodney will sack their QB in the endzone to break the tie as time expires.

 

[steve dave]

-11

[Spaces]

-11

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Anyone going to the game on Wednesday? I'm thinking about it.

I'll probably be there.  I live about 15 minutes away and I don't head back to Manhattan til Friday.

We're gonna run over from Frisco tonite... 

[Bqqkie Pimp]

A little more about TCU.

Offensively they are awful, probably the worst offense in Big 12 basketball history. Currently they average less than .9 points per possession for the season which no Big 12 team has ever managed. They shoot 45%, 44% on 2s, and turn the ball over 23% of the time, all numbers that put them in the bottom 1/5 of college basketball. Defensively they are okay, but with offense that bad it really doesn't matter.

They did muddy up the game (54 possessions!) against Baylor last weekend and actually led at halftime 22-21. Baylor eventually went on a 17-4 run and put the game away. This is actually a game that might be a first one to 50 wins.

Cats 65-Frogs 48.

Would love to believe this, but am having a hard time convincing myself to lay double digits on the road with these Cats especially with OU coming to town on Saturday and  KU next week.

[StarsBravesKSU]

Anyone going to the game on Wednesday? I'm thinking about it.

I'll probably be there.  I live about 15 minutes away and I don't head back to Manhattan til Friday.

We're gonna run over from Frisco tonite...

That's a brutal drive.