If we don't beat TCU by 20...

[StarsBravesKSU]

...we might have a problem.

[ednksu]

Frank would lose this game just to get people psyched up for Frankruary.

[StarsBravesKSU]

Frank would lose this game just to get people psyched up for Frankruary.

Another Frank hater?

[Winters]

I don't think the wildwildcats win by 20

[StarsBravesKSU]

I don't think the wildwildcats win by 20

I'll rephrase that.

If it's close enough at the end of the game to where TCU is intentionally fouling, we're in trouble.

[nicname]

I don't think the wildwildcats win by 20

I'll rephrase that.

If it's close enough at the end of the game to where TCU is intentionally fouling, we're in trouble.

The game won't be close.

[sys]

not one, but two teams ranked in the 200s.  it's unheard of.  prior to last year, the big 12 had never even had one.  and in a 10 team league.

[Institutional Control]

Anyone going to the game on Wednesday? I'm thinking about it.

[kso_FAN]

We should win and win easily, but don't be surprised if its not uglied up and closer than it should be for at least a half. TCU is the slowest playing team in the league and has decent defensive numbers, so they can do some things to keep it close. Still, the Cats should win by double digits.

sys is right, its weird to have 2 teams rated worse than 225 in the league. Last year's Tech was by far the worst team in the last 10 years, finishing at #246. Before that every terrible team since 2003 finished in the Top 200. Even Watkins' 0-16 aTm team in 04 finished #167.

[mocat]

I think it will be too close for comfort, and I think everybody that has watched this team expects that. The difference for me is, I'm finally OK with that.

 

[wabash909]

I'd be suprised if we're favored by more than 7 or 8 points.

Even against marginal competition, I just don't see us really blowing anyone out of the water.

[CNS]

It's bullshit that we even have to play them.  What part of "football only" do rough ridin' Deloss Dodds and Chuck Nienas(sp) not understand?

[Stevesie60]

If we keep trying to get transition points I think we blow them out. If for some reasons we decide to slow it down and play their game, it will be ugly and a close game.

[Bloodfart]

It's going to be close.  This team just doesn't have the "killer instinct" that oscar has been trying to instill in them.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

We should win and win easily, but don't be surprised if its not uglied up and closer than it should be for at least a half. TCU is the slowest playing team in the league and has decent defensive numbers, so they can do some things to keep it close. Still, the Cats should win by double digits.

sys is right, its weird to have 2 teams rated worse than 225 in the league. Last year's Tech was by far the worst team in the last 10 years, finishing at #246. Before that every terrible team since 2003 finished in the Top 200. Even Watkins' 0-16 aTm team in 04 finished #167.

Is TCU MBB the worst "revenue sport" program in the Big XII-(IV+II)?

[kso_FAN]

We should win and win easily, but don't be surprised if its not uglied up and closer than it should be for at least a half. TCU is the slowest playing team in the league and has decent defensive numbers, so they can do some things to keep it close. Still, the Cats should win by double digits.

sys is right, its weird to have 2 teams rated worse than 225 in the league. Last year's Tech was by far the worst team in the last 10 years, finishing at #246. Before that every terrible team since 2003 finished in the Top 200. Even Watkins' 0-16 aTm team in 04 finished #167.

Is TCU MBB the worst "revenue sport" program in the Big XII-(IV+II)?

It would be a close race between them and KU football right now.

[pissclams]

i'd give it to ku football just because the $ potential is so much greater

[CNS]

i'd give it to ku football just because the $ potential is so much greater

It's a tough one.  I mean, KU should be much better at fb given what they are willing to pay, the conference, the proximity to the metro area, etc.

That said, how hard is it to find 5-7 decent bb players in the middle of texas? 

Maybe rev potential/failure is the best measure here.

[slimz]

We should win and win easily, but don't be surprised if its not uglied up and closer than it should be for at least a half. TCU is the slowest playing team in the league and has decent defensive numbers, so they can do some things to keep it close.

Woolyball!

[kso_FAN]

We should win and win easily, but don't be surprised if its not uglied up and closer than it should be for at least a half. TCU is the slowest playing team in the league and has decent defensive numbers, so they can do some things to keep it close.

Woolyball!

Not really.

Wooly had one of the better 3PT shooters in K-State history in Cartier Martin and had teams that shot decently from 3 (upper 30s), but insisted on his "fools gold" philosophy and as a result his teams consistently shot fewer 3s compared to 2s than most other teams in the country. And his teams were poor at shooting 2s and didn't oboard particularly well.

Also Wooly's philosophy on defense didn't pressure the ball, so his defenses didn't force TOs AND teams consistently had high assists% on made shots. Teams could run their offense and get good shots.

We'll see in the long run, but oscar at least lets his teams play with some aggressiveness on defense (forcing TOs, low assist% for opponents) and has maintained oboarding as a strength which is about as opposite as Wooly ball as you can get.

[Stevesie60]

So, a couple things:

1. I don't have great memory of the Wooly years, but I would imagine that our 3pt% was higher because teams probably didn't plan to guard us as much. If there was that big of discrepancy between the number of 3's we shot and the number of 2's we shot, then I'm sure teams loosened up on us when we took the ball outside the arc.

2. Reading all this, why did you want to give Wooly more years? Honest question. What did you see that you thought warranted Wooly getting more time?

[SleepFighter]

kenpom has TCU with about an 18% chance of not winning another game this year. 

[kso_FAN]

2. Reading all this, why did you want to give Wooly more years? Honest question. What did you see that you thought warranted Wooly getting more time?

Because I was stupid and Wooly was likeable. He should've been fired after 3 years with no postseason.

[Cartierfor3]

We should just let Rodney stay home like the Spurs did with Tim Duncan.  Rest up for Saturday kid. 

[ChiComCat]

I don't know that I wanted him to get more years, but I would've accepted it.  There was a lack of expectation and an overall acceptance of a coach's excuses and our place in the Big 12