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« on: January 04, 2013, 08:14:22 AM »
so like, what's the deal with it. seemed pretty horrible the last 1/3 of the season. also, seems like we kind of got away from power run game and run game in general last 1/3 of the season. no stats to back this up with whatsoever though. o-line the prob? just what the heck you guys?


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Re: offense
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 08:18:08 AM »
so like, what's the deal with it. seemed pretty horrible the last 1/3 of the season. also, seems like we kind of got away from power run game and run game in general last 1/3 of the season. no stats to back this up with whatsoever though. o-line the prob? just what the heck you guys?

I think we will find out, soon maybe that Klein was one shot away from a life with a feeding tube or something like it. I think we started protecting him more after his concision as well as a lot of team started to play our run and dared us to throw it.
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Re: offense
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 08:21:33 AM »
Yeah, we went away from what we do best after Collin got sketti brained

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 10:38:00 AM »
Bill decided to "save" Collin's brain/shoulder and/or show case his passing.

It's the only explanation.

eff him and his 16 goals.  THEY ARE A LIE! :jerk:

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Re: offense
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 10:44:18 AM »
he threw for 300 yards against UT, our offense put up 42 pts in the last game of the season. 
granted UT's defense isn't anything to write home about but it's not crapface city either. 


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Re: offense
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 10:46:20 AM »
Needed more Pease.  Passing, running, catching, blocking, etc.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 10:56:46 AM »
Bill decided to "save" Collin's brain/shoulder and/or show case his passing.

It's the only explanation.

eff him and his 16 goals.  THEY ARE A LIE! :jerk:

i tend to agree w/ this.

We’ve scored the following:

OSU – 44 (1 Spec T score, 1 pick six, so the “offense” scored 30)
TCU – 23
BU – 24
UT – 42 (Nigel INT to the 1, Chapman INT to the 10, imo, wipe those off the board, offense scored 28)
Oregon - 17

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Re: offense
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 11:03:42 AM »
Needed more Pease.  Passing, running, catching, blocking, etc.

We totally wasted his talent, IMO.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 11:07:20 AM »
Needed more Pease.  Passing, running, catching, blocking, etc.

We totally wasted his talent, IMO.

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Re: offense
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 11:40:30 AM »
Bill decided to "save" Collin's brain/shoulder and/or show case his passing.

It's the only explanation.

eff him and his 16 goals.  THEY ARE A LIE! :jerk:

i tend to agree w/ this.

We’ve scored the following:

OSU – 44 (1 Spec T score, 1 pick six, so the “offense” scored 30)
TCU – 23
BU – 24
UT – 42 (Nigel INT to the 1, Chapman INT to the 10, imo, wipe those off the board, offense scored 28)
Oregon - 17


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c+ effort at qualifying your logic


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Re: offense
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 11:58:26 AM »
We were destroying everyone with that zone read thing.  Mostly running, but they also had some nifty plays in which they threw out of it.  Then, we just stopped using it completely.  I said it before, but it seems like the coaches started thinking that Klein is a better passer than he actually is. 

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Re: offense
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 12:01:30 PM »
or maybe you just don't know how good of a passer klein is.  me thinks it's the latter.  /thread.


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Re: offense
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2013, 12:01:51 PM »
I agree.  It seems like that was our main offense early on, and then we stopped.  It was fun watching that.
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Re: offense
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2013, 12:17:57 PM »
Seemed like Hubes got blown up at or behind the line if scrimmage a ton those last 4-5 games. 

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2013, 12:30:02 PM »
or maybe you just don't know how good of a passer klein is.  me thinks it's the latter.  /thread.

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Re: offense
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 12:36:53 PM »
We did go away from the I formation and leads/power running than we did early in the year. I'm sure the logic was that since teams continued to load the box we had to spread and throw, then to blow it up even more Klein was phenominal throwing against Miami and WVU and really good against KU, Tech, and OSU. However, only against UT in his last 4 games did he approach the type of efficiency he had in those games. I'm sure Dimel, Snyder, and Miller had to keep thinking "okay, this drive we're going to get that Collin/K-State passing game back" and it simply didn't happen. I'm sure it would be easy to breakdown how the defensive numbers dictated that passing the ball (still mixed with run of course) was a great strategy, I just think it proved to be too much for Klein to handle. That isn't meant to be a big knock, he was just limited as a passer and I think our coaching staff put more trust in his abilities to throw than they should have.

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Re: offense
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2013, 01:27:37 PM »
it sounds to me like _fan is saying that klein is a badass runner and a shitty passer and it took opposing coaches 2/3 of the season to figure that out.  my "coaches aren't smart" case rests, thank you _fan.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2013, 01:38:06 PM »
I tried to warn you guys that Oregon's defense was pretty damn legit when fully healthy.  They are physical and they have plenty of speed to burn.  If it wasn't for an OT loss against a top 10 Stanford team, Oregon would be my pick to win the BCS title. 

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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2013, 01:44:36 PM »
it sounds to me like _fan is saying that klein is a badass runner and a shitty passer and it took opposing coaches 2/3 of the season to figure that out.  my "coaches aren't smart" case rests, thank you _fan.

Premise is correct. I think there are some things he did well passing the ball, but NFL type throws into tight windows, not so much. And arm strength was okay, but not great.

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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2013, 01:48:26 PM »
I tried to warn you guys that Oregon's defense was pretty damn legit when fully healthy.  They are physical and they have plenty of speed to burn.  If it wasn't for an OT loss against a top 10 Stanford team, Oregon would be my pick to win the BCS title. 

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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2013, 01:56:27 PM »
it sounds to me like _fan is saying that klein is a badass runner and a shitty passer and it took opposing coaches 2/3 of the season to figure that out.  my "coaches aren't smart" case rests, thank you _fan.

I will say that it seemed to me that KSU had/implemented some nice wrinkles in their running game, specifically from the Miami game through the WVU game (possibly the TT game) that gave some people some problems.  This may be the “keeps it close to the vest” thing, but I think it’s accurate in terms of how/where they run the ball.  After snyds unloaded all his tricks, everything was on film and not only that but we had enough film to show what our weaknesses were – wasn’t necessarily that Klein is a bad passer (he is, but no one needed that much film to see that), but that our OL had a problem with shifting DL fronts and some stunts which affected our run game and in turn meant Collin's passing was dictated by the situation instead of when snyds wanted to.


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Re: offense
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2013, 01:58:00 PM »
Had nothing to do with Oregon's D.  We were dogshit last night.  Snyder is rough ridin' dogshit.  Klein is rough ridin' dogshit.  Was rough ridin' embarassing watching that rough ridin' shitshow last night /rant