Author Topic: Why does Snyder suck in the post season? (Read 5866 times)

p1k3 · « **on:** January 03, 2013, 11:51:19 PM »

Not melting down....seriously. but...

I mean wow, we're the Champs of the best league in football. I had a rough ridin' blast this year. A rough ridin' blast. But we have to admit that Bill's post season record is sub par. Something is wrong here, and I think most rational Cat fans would agree that there's more to it than "well we lost today...."

What gives?

Is it that opposing teams have almost a month to figure out how to stop Klein(a huge % of our offense?)

Talent? Do more talented teams have a major advantage with an entire month of prep? Probably...right?

During the regular season Bill has a plan week in and week out for the players, coaches, the entire program, etc. Does the 4 or 5 week brake affect this?

I mean we were competitive in the Cotton Bowl last year and almost crawled our way back into the Fiesta tonight, but honestly we looked like dog crap in both games and i bet most neutral observers would say we got rolled in both.

There has to be something there, right? What is the deal? Why can't we win??

wabash909 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2013, 12:14:57 AM »

He outschemes himself.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2013, 12:36:48 AM »

yes, all of those things.

chum1 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2013, 01:01:06 AM »

Snyder v. 1.0 was 6-6. Not great, but not sucky. Snyder v. 2.0, however, is 0-3. Definitely sucky.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2013, 02:52:08 AM »

Overcoaches.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2013, 05:35:58 AM »

Time, as in too much of it is the absolute worst thing for this coaching staff.

Stupid Fitz · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2013, 06:15:42 AM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2013, 05:35:58 AM

Time, as in too much of it is the absolute worst thing for this coaching staff.

Yep, it gives them time to come up with things like "Hey, instead of running the crap out of our good running but shitty passing QB, let's do the opposite and they will never know what hit em".

KITNfury · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:08:54 AM »

I think Snyder has an advantage in short turnarounds like the regular season. He can probably pack more preparation into one week than any coach in America, which is why he's done so well during the regular season without top flight talent. Give the other coach a month and they can prepare their team just as well. At this point, the difference in talent shines through.

Bottom line, coaching is fine, we need more talent (we all know this). Nonetheless, we won something this year. I'll take a conference crown over any bowl win short of the NC

"storm"nut · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:15:14 AM »

My posibly stupid opinon but all Bowl games are (save the national title game) are just Icing on the cake of a season, sure they are sweet to have on top but cake is fine without icing.

Stupid Fitz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:15:33 AM »

Quote from: KITNfury on January 04, 2013, 08:08:54 AM

I think Snyder has an advantage in short turnarounds like the regular season. He can probably pack more preparation into one week than any coach in America, which is why he's done so well during the regular season without top flight talent. Give the other coach a month and they can prepare their team just as well. At this point, the difference in talent shines through.

Bottom line, coaching is fine, we need more talent (we all know this). Nonetheless, we won something this year. I'll take a conference crown over any bowl win short of the NC

SabiNation · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:23:04 AM »

Quote from: "storm"nut on January 04, 2013, 08:15:14 AM

My posibly stupid opinon but all Bowl games are (save the national title game) are just Icing on the cake of a season, sure they are sweet to have on top but cake is fine without icing.

Stupidest thing I've read...ever

catzacker · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:25:35 AM »

We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:31:38 AM »

zacker is correct, but i'm choosing to go with the old "snyder uses bowl game prep time as practice time for the second string and younger players so that we will be a better team NEXT year".

chum1 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:51:07 AM »

Quote from: catzacker on January 04, 2013, 08:25:35 AM

We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.

So, why is Snyder sucky against good teams with talent and time to prepare?

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2013, 08:51:57 AM »

You know how we always bitch about getting no respect? Well, the irony is that we sometimes get more respect than we deserve, and as a result, we get matched up with much more talented opponents in bowl games. And, our biggest advantage - Snyder's ability to better prepare for new opponents during the week-by-week grind of the regular season - is negated by giving the opposing coach a month to prepare for us. As a result, we lose.

Bottom line is that we have a brilliant coach who has achieved a remarkable level of success despite shitty recruiting, but we just don't have the speed or talent to win games like this in the post season where our biggest advantage has been blunted. The best we can do is enjoy the wins, feel lucky to be as successful as we are, but accept that the KITN is coming. That's K-State football.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:28:52 AM »

Kind of like the NCAA BB tourney it's all about match ups, and they haven't favored us the past two years. But we didn't play anywhere near our potential on offense last night.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:30:54 AM »

Quote from: EMAWzified on January 04, 2013, 09:28:52 AM

But we didn't play anywhere near our potential on offense last night.

i'm not so sure about that. our offense over the last 1/3 of the season was gross.

CNS · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:35:05 AM »

Guy on radio several wks ago made a great point that seems very possible.

Snyder is great because of the amt of prep he can force into a 6 day turn around in between games. Additional time give the other coach, who may not be fantastic at short term prep, gives that coach enough time to make that gap go away. Then you are down to two very well prepared teams and then the talent, speed, athleticism differences come out.

catzacker · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:41:36 AM »

Quote from: chum1 on January 04, 2013, 08:51:07 AM

Quote from: catzacker on January 04, 2013, 08:25:35 AM
We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.

So, why is Snyder sucky against good teams with talent and time to prepare?

I would suggest it’s because of our talent is worse (to what degree, I dunno) than our competition. Broadly, I think Bill’s success is driven by beating crappy/average teams, which isn’t a knock on him – it’s what a good/above good coach does. What has been remarkable/surprising over the past 2 years is that, imo, we have beaten a lot of good teams.

Sandstone Outcropping · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:41:51 AM »

Quote from: Stupid Fitz on January 04, 2013, 08:15:33 AM

Quote from: KITNfury on January 04, 2013, 08:08:54 AM
I think Snyder has an advantage in short turnarounds like the regular season. He can probably pack more preparation into one week than any coach in America, which is why he's done so well during the regular season without top flight talent. Give the other coach a month and they can prepare their team just as well. At this point, the difference in talent shines through.

Bottom line, coaching is fine, we need more talent (we all know this). Nonetheless, we won something this year. I'll take a conference crown over any bowl win short of the NC

j-dub · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:47:09 AM »

bill is also conservative and cautious to a fault. bowl games are built for coaches who have no problem taking chances.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:52:51 AM »

Quote from: j-dub on January 04, 2013, 09:47:09 AM

bill is also conservative and cautious to a fault. bowl games are built for coaches who have no problem taking chances.

All of the above and, last night, this. Bill played it like a November game at Ames, Chip played it like a bowl game when he was on his way to the NFL. I mean, not going for it at the end of the first half? trying to draw them offsides? rough ridin' dumb.

W.Churchill · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2013, 09:54:43 AM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2013, 08:51:57 AM

You know how we always bitch about getting no respect? Well, the irony is that we sometimes get more respect than we deserve, and as a result, we get matched up with much more talented opponents in bowl games. And, our biggest advantage - Snyder's ability to better prepare for new opponents during the week-by-week grind of the regular season - is negated by giving the opposing coach a month to prepare for us. As a result, we lose.

Bottom line is that we have a brilliant coach who has achieved a remarkable level of success despite shitty recruiting, but we just don't have the speed or talent to win games like this in the post season where our biggest advantage has been blunted. The best we can do is enjoy the wins, feel lucky to be as successful as we are, but accept that the KITN is coming. That's K-State football.

Dead on.

yosh · « **Reply #23 on:** January 04, 2013, 10:07:22 AM »

Meh. Over analysing imo. Bill is 6-9. More than half our bowl games we went in as the inferior team on paper. Who have we lost to that we shouldn't have? Purdue? For the most part its just gone the way you'd expect it to.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2013, 10:09:07 AM »

Oregon and Arkansas were better than us. BFD.