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A few things this game made me think
« on: January 03, 2013, 11:15:17 PM »
- I'm starting to think that Dimel as a HC is a dogshit idea.  He'd make a great alcoholic.  "I swear, the next time we get down, I'm going to stay true to K-State football.  Next time".  It was unbelievable how bullshit our offense was in the second half.  It's like he rough ridin' forgot about (a) the baylor game (which he said he learned from) and (b) the second rough ridin' quarter of the rough ridin' game when we rough ridin' shoved it down their rough ridin' throat and rough ridin' got to 3rd and manageable quite a lot. 

- We need Daniel Sams and Nic Marshall, not Collin Klein and Jake Waters.

- We better hope to god that Daniel doesn't listen to our coaches when/if they tell him to always try to throw it instead of tuck an run.  I hope Bill doesn't have some weird affinity for Daniel and let's him just run all over the rough ridin' place. 

- I'm rough ridin' laughing right in anyone's stupid rough ridin' faces if they think we're "OK" at WR.  Basically, I'm looking at you, Hatter. 

- Our OL is overrated.

- Our kick return unit is rough ridin' atrocious and Sean is a rough ridin' moron for even trying to kick to him.

- I enjoyed bill tucking his old balls between his legs with 8 to go down 15 and punting it away.  Like it rough ridin' matter if we lost 40-24 or 40-17.


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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 11:17:37 PM »
The first two drives in the 3rd were awful, but selling for FG attempts on our last two first half drives were the killers.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 11:19:51 PM »
I don't think running the ball more would have mattered.  Definitely agree about the OL, but i've thought that all year.  If waters starts over sams next year, I will quit being a fan.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 11:20:20 PM »
The first two drives in the 3rd were awful, but selling for FG attempts on our last two first half drives were the killers.

short side option, works every time! 

 It was simply amazing how we can't break tendencies on our audibles.  They show "x defense" we audible to "y play" they get out of "x defense" knowing what we like to do when they show "x defense". 

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 11:20:51 PM »
It's difficult for me to say change everything we do because we lost to a machine like Oregon by 18 points.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 11:21:19 PM »
I don't think running the ball more would have mattered.  Definitely agree about the OL, but i've thought that all year.  If waters starts over sams next year, I will quit being a fan.
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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 11:21:48 PM »
It's difficult for me to say change everything we do because we lost to a machine like Oregon by 18 points.

Why?  Dana Dimel changes it whenever there's a hint of panic.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2013, 11:23:22 PM »
I don't think running the ball more would have mattered.  Definitely agree about the OL, but i've thought that all year.  If waters starts over sams next year, I will quit being a fan.

I would like to think I could quit being a fan too in that circumstance. But I said as much after oscar Weber was hired and I haven't done it. I'm all talk basically.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 11:24:28 PM »
- I'm starting to think that Dimel as a HC is a dogshit idea.  He'd make a great alcoholic.  "I swear, the next time we get down, I'm going to stay true to K-State football.  Next time".  It was unbelievable how bullshit our offense was in the second half.  It's like he rough ridin' forgot about (a) the baylor game (which he said he learned from) and (b) the second rough ridin' quarter of the rough ridin' game when we rough ridin' shoved it down their rough ridin' throat and rough ridin' got to 3rd and manageable quite a lot. 

- We need Daniel Sams and Nic Marshall, not Collin Klein and Jake Waters.

- We better hope to god that Daniel doesn't listen to our coaches when/if they tell him to always try to throw it instead of tuck an run.  I hope Bill doesn't have some weird affinity for Daniel and let's him just run all over the rough ridin' place. 

- I'm rough ridin' laughing right in anyone's stupid rough ridin' faces if they think we're "OK" at WR.  Basically, I'm looking at you, Hatter. 

- Our OL is overrated.

- Our kick return unit is rough ridin' atrocious and Sean is a rough ridin' moron for even trying to kick to him.

- I enjoyed bill tucking his old balls between his legs with 8 to go down 15 and punting it away.  Like it rough ridin' matter if we lost 40-24 or 40-17.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2013, 11:25:19 PM »
- I'm starting to think that Dimel as a HC is a dogshit idea.  He'd make a great alcoholic.  "I swear, the next time we get down, I'm going to stay true to K-State football.  Next time".  It was unbelievable how bullshit our offense was in the second half.  It's like he rough ridin' forgot about (a) the baylor game (which he said he learned from) and (b) the second rough ridin' quarter of the rough ridin' game when we rough ridin' shoved it down their rough ridin' throat and rough ridin' got to 3rd and manageable quite a lot. 

- We need Daniel Sams and Nic Marshall, not Collin Klein and Jake Waters.

- We better hope to god that Daniel doesn't listen to our coaches when/if they tell him to always try to throw it instead of tuck an run.  I hope Bill doesn't have some weird affinity for Daniel and let's him just run all over the rough ridin' place. 

- I'm rough ridin' laughing right in anyone's stupid rough ridin' faces if they think we're "OK" at WR.  Basically, I'm looking at you, Hatter. 

- Our OL is overrated.

- Our kick return unit is rough ridin' atrocious and Sean is a rough ridin' moron for even trying to kick to him.

- I enjoyed bill tucking his old balls between his legs with 8 to go down 15 and punting it away.  Like it rough ridin' matter if we lost 40-24 or 40-17.

-I still like Dimel but will change my mind quickly if our offense is not very good next year.

-I agree, though I still love Klein.

-I don't think LHC Bill Snyder has ever been accused of trying to make a running QB a passer, and I love that about him.

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-I don't think so. They are mostly Fr/So and will only get better.

-I also am not impressed with the way Sean runs our kicking unit. I like all other aspects of the special teams, though.

-That was awful.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2013, 11:25:55 PM »
The first two drives in the 3rd were awful, but selling for FG attempts on our last two first half drives were the killers.

I thought the failed 4th and 1 attempt giving Oregon a short field to go up 15 hurt even worse.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 12:32:55 PM »
the missed fg/giving up a quick td is what killed us.

If we get the ball first in the second half and it's 15-13, then we continue to play our offense.  Instead, Dana and Bill piss down their leg and it snowballs.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2013, 12:53:42 PM »
-I also am not impressed with the way Sean runs our kicking unit. I like all other aspects of the special teams, though.


The way our kickoff is done is a calculated risk that I'm sure Bill has just as much say as Sean. It's also the same reason we end up with "who is your favorite st player?" threads that get loaded with coverage guys. Last night both Snyders were both too dumb to recalculate that risk with Thomas as the returner. That's a prime example of how Bills overcoaching to get every small advantage works against teams with slightly more talent, but can blow up in your face when you overthink and purposely put the ball in a burners hands in open space. The soft D at the end of the first half that allowed them got the ball in Barner's hands in space is another example.
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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2013, 01:06:17 PM »
our oline played like a bunch of fp's on a lot of those short ydg plays.  they had to have been confused or something.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2013, 01:07:57 PM »
We also had tackles lining up in pass protect stance throughout the game. Watch it again. They knew when we were running and passing based on Lucas's stance.  AWFUL.
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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 01:08:16 PM »
I don't think running the ball more would have mattered.  Definitely agree about the OL, but i've thought that all year.  If waters starts over sams next year, I will quit being a fan.



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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2013, 09:35:34 PM »
We also had tackles lining up in pass protect stance throughout the game. Watch it again. They knew when we were running and passing based on Lucas's stance.  AWFUL.

I think our Sr QB and offensive staff was confused most of the time too. How many times did we switch in to something that ran right into the mouth of their defense? It looked bad and we looked horribly unprepared for their defense.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2013, 12:52:41 AM »
Our OL isn't overrated, except for Lucas.  :barf:

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2013, 06:43:50 AM »
The first two drives in the 3rd were awful, but selling for FG attempts on our last two first half drives were the killers.

short side option, works every time! 

 It was simply amazing how we can't break tendencies on our audibles.  They show "x defense" we audible to "y play" they get out of "x defense" knowing what we like to do when they show "x defense".

One of the Oregon defensive players did say after the game that the K State offense became "predictable" in the second half. Not sure whether he was referring to the audible or not. I took it as being about the audible calls.

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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2013, 08:23:28 AM »
and people wonder why we can't have nice things.
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Re: A few things this game made me think
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2013, 09:16:18 AM »
The first two drives in the 3rd were awful, but selling for FG attempts on our last two first half drives were the killers.

short side option, works every time! 

 It was simply amazing how we can't break tendencies on our audibles.  They show "x defense" we audible to "y play" they get out of "x defense" knowing what we like to do when they show "x defense".

One of the Oregon defensive players did say after the game that the K State offense became "predictable" in the second half. Not sure whether he was referring to the audible or not. I took it as being about the audible calls.

We were predictable when the passing game becomes the high percentage of our offense. There are only a certain number of throws that we made well with Klein in the game and we were at our best when we used our diverse running game as the base and threw to compliment that. Remember, we threw the ball 3 times in the 2nd half to blow out Texas.

That said, as I look back Oregon did a great job of taking away Klein. I think if we had been a bit more committed to the running game with our backs, especially the way Pease was running, we would've been better off. Also, Hubert had a couple of big slips on the turf in the first half because he kept cutting off his inside foot. Oregon wasn't going to let Klein beat them with his legs and they knew are limitations in the passing game; Dimel/Snyder didn't consistently find the adjustments and our offense struggled. We didn't get as pass happy as the Baylor game, but we just weren't efficient enough throwing. I said before the game we needed to approach 9 yards per attempt and we only got half of that and we can't win that way. We ran 53% of the time (which was lower than any other game except Baylor), but we didn't get the big pass plays that were the staple of this offense when we played at our best. Some of that was play calling and prep and some was just Oregon being pretty good on defense, especially the speed to limit big plays.