Author Topic: Game of Thrones book discussion thread (Read 52616 times)

OK_Cat · « **Reply #400 on:** June 10, 2013, 08:33:22 AM »

Quote from: Super PurpleCat on June 10, 2013, 08:07:01 AM

An entire episode of "wait till next year" setups. About the only redeeming scenes were the Davos scenes. I've had about enough of the Daenarys staring at a city with a worried look on her face scenes. The ending was cheesy bad.

ending was the best part. love hot dragon chick. she's the only "good guy" left on the show, really.

mocat · « **Reply #401 on:** June 10, 2013, 08:41:03 AM »

The best part is that Tyrion just keeps getting better and better as the books develop

Rams · « **Reply #402 on:** June 10, 2013, 10:26:01 AM »

worthless season finale.

and the more I think about the red wedding the more pissed off I get. just seemed really lazy on GRRM's part. like what was the point of the entire story line of robb stark if he was just going to slaughter everybody like that? that story line wasted a vast amount of hours of the series (and I'm assuming pages of the books) only to end very abruptly...and it didn't further any other story lines AT ALL. we didn't learn anything new about any of the characters and it didn't open up any new story lines that didn't already exist. it's like he just got bored with it or could decide where to go and so he just rounded everybody up in a room and slaughtered them all.

OK_Cat · « **Reply #403 on:** June 10, 2013, 10:35:07 AM »

glad i haven't read the books, seems like you readers get pissed off easily.

CNS · « **Reply #404 on:** June 10, 2013, 10:54:46 AM »

Quote from: Rams on June 10, 2013, 10:26:01 AM

worthless season finale.

and the more I think about the red wedding the more pissed off I get. just seemed really lazy on GRRM's part. like what was the point of the entire story line of robb stark if he was just going to slaughter everybody like that? that story line wasted a vast amount of hours of the series (and I'm assuming pages of the books) only to end very abruptly...and it didn't further any other story lines AT ALL. we didn't learn anything new about any of the characters and it didn't open up any new story lines that didn't already exist. it's like he just got bored with it or could decide where to go and so he just rounded everybody up in a room and slaughtered them all.

He builds every character in the book and the time spend building up to the Red Wedding is a significant amount of time, during which he develops a bunch of characters quite a bit. Also, in the books, the event itself really shapes characters going forward.

OK_Cat · « **Reply #405 on:** June 10, 2013, 11:10:26 AM »

i liked it because it shows that nobody is safe. makes me as a viewer always wondering who is next.

i keep trying to decide the ending of the series in my head. happy ending with dragon chick? heartbreaking ending with the lannisters winning? surprise ending with someone taking over that isn't expected? so many choices.

Super PurpleCat · « **Reply #406 on:** June 10, 2013, 11:10:47 AM »

Quote from: Rams on June 10, 2013, 10:26:01 AM

worthless season finale.

and the more I think about the red wedding the more pissed off I get. just seemed really lazy on GRRM's part. like what was the point of the entire story line of robb stark if he was just going to slaughter everybody like that? that story line wasted a vast amount of hours of the series (and I'm assuming pages of the books) only to end very abruptly...and it didn't further any other story lines AT ALL. we didn't learn anything new about any of the characters and it didn't open up any new story lines that didn't already exist. it's like he just got bored with it or could decide where to go and so he just rounded everybody up in a room and slaughtered them all.

Scene: Walder Frey gloating to Roose Bolton about killing off the Starks and Tullys
Scene: Tyrion taking issue with Tywin's methods of winning the war
Scene: Tyrion explaining to Podrick the crime wasn't the killing or the wedding, the crime was breaking the laws of hospitality

Don't despair, the Red Wedding comes back to bite them, count on it.

mocat · « **Reply #407 on:** June 10, 2013, 11:12:11 AM »

Rams, buddy, sigh

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #408 on:** June 10, 2013, 11:35:41 AM »

Quote from: Rams on June 10, 2013, 10:26:01 AM

worthless season finale.

and the more I think about the red wedding the more pissed off I get. just seemed really lazy on GRRM's part. like what was the point of the entire story line of robb stark if he was just going to slaughter everybody like that? that story line wasted a vast amount of hours of the series (and I'm assuming pages of the books) only to end very abruptly...and it didn't further any other story lines AT ALL. we didn't learn anything new about any of the characters and it didn't open up any new story lines that didn't already exist. it's like he just got bored with it or could decide where to go and so he just rounded everybody up in a room and slaughtered them all.

The Red Wedding was just amazing in the book and on film. Sure, a lot of storylines ended abruptly, but crap happens, and there are still about 20 other storylines moving forward. I would expect most of those to end abruptly as well. Just enjoy the ride.

michigancat · « **Reply #409 on:** June 10, 2013, 11:39:37 AM »

I mean calling the Red Wedding lazy writing is just one of the most absurd things I've ever read.

felix rex · « **Reply #410 on:** June 10, 2013, 12:01:15 PM »

Quote from: Rams on June 10, 2013, 10:26:01 AM

Where's the episode where Robb dies? I've watched them all and don't remember a red wedding

Rams · « **Reply #411 on:** June 10, 2013, 02:09:15 PM »

Quote from: felix rex on June 10, 2013, 12:01:15 PM

Quote from: Rams on June 10, 2013, 10:26:01 AM
Where's the episode where Robb dies? I've watched them all and don't remember a red wedding

just seemed like a huge waste to kill off a main story line that he'd invested so much time in when, right now, it doesn't seem to further any of the other remaining story lines. I suppose he'll find a way to make it an important event down the line, but right now it just feels like he got bored with it so he killed everybody off...which seems like lazy writing.

mocat · « **Reply #412 on:** June 10, 2013, 02:10:56 PM »

Rams just stop it broseph

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #413 on:** June 10, 2013, 03:00:28 PM »

Yeah, the red wedding will most likely become an important event to the story of A Song of Ice and Fire at some point way down the line.

michigancat · « **Reply #414 on:** June 10, 2013, 03:07:27 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on June 10, 2013, 03:00:28 PM

Yeah, the red wedding will most likely become an important event to the story of A Song of Ice and Fire at some point way down the line.

nah, GRRM just got bored

Cire · « **Reply #415 on:** June 10, 2013, 04:32:59 PM »

Robb stark wasn't the main story. just a cog.

HerrSonntag · « **Reply #416 on:** June 11, 2013, 08:11:18 AM »

Quote from: Cire on June 10, 2013, 04:32:59 PM

Robb stark wasn't the main story. just a cog.

Or, who says that the Stark side of the war was the main story line part? In the books you heardly ever even hear any stories from their side... however the Lanister side of the conflict...

mocat · « **Reply #417 on:** June 11, 2013, 08:16:46 AM »

yeah you hardly ever hear from the starks, except you read the POV of Ned, Catelyn, Jon, Sansa, Arya, and Bran.

SabiNation · « **Reply #418 on:** June 11, 2013, 08:54:14 AM »

Quote from: OK Cat on June 10, 2013, 11:10:26 AM

i liked it because it shows that nobody is safe. makes me as a viewer always wondering who is next.

This. GOT isn't the first story that developed a character only to kill them off later. The idea, I would assume, is to get the viewer/reader attached to specific characters and to cause an emotional reaction when something happens to them (good or bad). In my mind, the fact that Rams is being butthurt is exactly what the writers wanted. You'll be back for season 4.

mocat · « **Reply #419 on:** June 11, 2013, 09:02:04 AM »

Yes I have heard GRRM discuss that the Ned death was to show that the stubborn good guy does not always win. And then with Robb, the reader just assumes that the son will take up the mantle and get revenge. But that is not how it works always out, so he said he knew he was going to kill Robb from the get-go.

Mrs. Gooch · « **Reply #420 on:** June 11, 2013, 09:09:38 AM »

Quote from: SabiNation on June 11, 2013, 08:54:14 AM

Quote from: OK Cat on June 10, 2013, 11:10:26 AM
i liked it because it shows that nobody is safe. makes me as a viewer always wondering who is next.

This. GOT isn't the first story that developed a character only to kill them off later. The idea, I would assume, is to get the viewer/reader attached to specific characters and to cause an emotional reaction when something happens to them (good or bad). In my mind, the fact that Rams is being butthurt is exactly what the writers wanted. You'll be back for season 4.

I agree. Any time a writer can evoke strong emotions from the reader, they have done their job.

SabiNation · « **Reply #421 on:** June 11, 2013, 09:17:22 AM »

Quote from: mocat on June 11, 2013, 09:02:04 AM

Yes I have heard GRRM discuss that the Ned death was to show that the stubborn good guy does not always win. And then with Robb, the reader just assumes that the son will take up the mantle and get revenge. But that is not how it works always out, so he said he knew he was going to kill Robb from the get-go.

Genius imo

OK_Cat · « **Reply #422 on:** June 11, 2013, 09:59:53 AM »

i like that none of the characters are 100% good or 100% bad.

CNS · « **Reply #423 on:** June 11, 2013, 10:24:49 AM »

Quote from: OK Cat on June 11, 2013, 09:59:53 AM

i like that none of the characters are 100% good or 100% bad.

Yep, and the percentage of both that you initially mentally assign them shifts as the story moves on. Really great stuff.

michigancat · « **Reply #424 on:** June 11, 2013, 10:31:11 AM »

Cersei is consistently bad. (so far)