When I see "Underwood was the answer" and don't immediately laugh...

[kougar24]

...I know how bad things are.

[kougar24]

And no, this doesn't mean I want Underwood. I do not.

[steve dave]

Underwood was the cutoff for acceptable and burnitdown iirc

[michigancat]

Underwood was the cutoff for acceptable and burnitdown iirc

Yep. I think Underwood would have kept us tough at least.

[CNS]

Yeah.  I wouldn't have been happy, but I don't think I would be doing what I am doing now.

[bigwillie20]

Underwood was the cutoff for acceptable and burnitdown iirc

Yeah, he was my "last resort" "sigh, guess will take" guy

[kso_FAN]

Underwood was the cutoff for acceptable and burnitdown iirc

Yep. I think Underwood would have kept us tough at least.

This year would've been better with Underwood, I have little doubt about that.

We might still have 2 losses, but we wouldn't have looked completely outclassed against Michigan and Gonzaga in the 2nd half. People would be hopeful right now about Underwood finishing in the Top 3 or 4 of a down Big 12.

[CNS]

Underwood would have kept the offense that Rodney and JO thrived in and that Angel looked to have so much potential in.

[michigancat]

Underwood was the cutoff for acceptable and burnitdown iirc

Yep. I think Underwood would have kept us tough at least.

This year would've been better with Underwood, I have little doubt about that.

We might still have 2 losses, but we wouldn't have looked completely outclassed against Michigan and Gonzaga in the 2nd half. People would be hopeful right now about Underwood finishing in the Top 3 or 4 of a down Big 12.

Yeah, which is what I thought oscar would be able to do, I guess. so maybe I'm wrong.

[kitten_mittons]

oscar needed to win right away to keep #BiD from completely abandoning mbb.  We'd still be saying, "We expected him to do well this season." But my God, he's worse than we thought. And we thought he was terrible.

[kougar24]

Underwood was the cutoff for acceptable and burnitdown iirc

Yep. I think Underwood would have kept us tough at least.

This year would've been better with Underwood, I have little doubt about that.

We might still have 2 losses, but we wouldn't have looked completely outclassed against Michigan and Gonzaga in the 2nd half. People would be hopeful right now about Underwood finishing in the Top 3 or 4 of a down Big 12.

Yeah, which is what I thought oscar would be able to do, I guess. so maybe I'm wrong.

Exactly. Like I said before, my biggest fear was that Weber would do pretty well this year, earning basically a blank trust-check from the donors/AD for another six years as he bled the program dry.

So I guess we should be "happy" that that fear appears to be unwarranted?

[steve dave]

So I guess we should be "happy" that that fear appears to be unwarranted?

I can't. I get sad when we suck no matter what. I want to win all the games. I never wanted to lose under Prince either.

[kougar24]

So I guess we should be "happy" that that fear appears to be unwarranted?

I can't. I get sad when we suck no matter what. I want to win all the games. I never wanted to lose under Prince either.

I'd rather go 2-10 twice and fire a guy and move on than go 5-7 or 6-6 for five consecutive years. Of course the 2-10 years suck while they're happening, but they're for the greater good.

[steve dave]

So I guess we should be "happy" that that fear appears to be unwarranted?

I can't. I get sad when we suck no matter what. I want to win all the games. I never wanted to lose under Prince either.

I'd rather go 2-10 twice and fire a guy and move on than go 5-7 or 6-6 for five consecutive years. Of course the 2-10 years suck while they're happening, but they're for the greater good.

Can't do it. Do you watch us and cheer for the other team? Inside do you get happier when Angel misses a shot or Rodney sucks 24/7? I see the logic, don't get me wrong.

[kougar24]

So I guess we should be "happy" that that fear appears to be unwarranted?

I can't. I get sad when we suck no matter what. I want to win all the games. I never wanted to lose under Prince either.

I'd rather go 2-10 twice and fire a guy and move on than go 5-7 or 6-6 for five consecutive years. Of course the 2-10 years suck while they're happening, but they're for the greater good.

Can't do it. Do you watch us and cheer for the other team? Inside do you get happier when Angel misses a shot or Rodney sucks 24/7? I see the logic, don't get me wrong.

No, it's purely from a logical standpoint. I still get pissed/frustrated during the games themselves. The happiness comes retroactively, if at all.

[steve dave]

ok, well, I guess I'm the same then. I still want to make the tourny though. making the tourny is so fun. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

So I guess we should be "happy" that that fear appears to be unwarranted?

I can't. I get sad when we suck no matter what. I want to win all the games. I never wanted to lose under Prince either.

I'd rather go 2-10 twice and fire a guy and move on than go 5-7 or 6-6 for five consecutive years. Of course the 2-10 years suck while they're happening, but they're for the greater good.

Can't do it. Do you watch us and cheer for the other team? Inside do you get happier when Angel misses a shot or Rodney sucks 24/7? I see the logic, don't get me wrong.

i can't do it either.

also re:underwood- it was one of those things that you're like "well it's just crazy enough that it could work i guess". i would've low balled him an offer like we did with frank and then gave him a bunch of cash to use on assistants.

[michigancat]

I don't mind seeing Rod miss shots much because he could have told Chet he would go to Maryland if oscar was hired and saved us from this crap.

[steve dave]

I don't mind seeing Rod miss shots much because he could have told Chet he would go to Maryland if oscar was hired and saved us from this crap.

lol, like oscar wasn't coming anyway

[kougar24]

ok, well, I guess I'm the same then. I still want to make the tourny though. making the tourny is so fun. 

Agreed. I never became numb to the pain of filling out a bracket without K-State on it, through all the Altburydridge years.

[michigancat]

I don't mind seeing Rod miss shots much because he could have told Chet he would go to Maryland if oscar was hired and saved us from this crap.

lol, like oscar wasn't coming anyway

Well, yeah. I'm angry.

[kso_FAN]

I can't. I get sad when we suck no matter what. I want to win all the games. I never wanted to lose under Prince either.

This. I can't do #burnitdown. Its not in me.

Yeah, which is what I thought oscar would be able to do, I guess. so maybe I'm wrong.

I did too. He still may, but I find it harder to see that with every game.

[michigancat]

I can do burn it down. I mean, I really don't care, otherwise now.

[yosh]

I wanted Wooly drawn and quartered in his 6th year.  I wanted him fired more than I have ever wanted anything sports related in my life.  Still wanted to win every single game.   

[O-town Kat]

So I guess we should be "happy" that that fear appears to be unwarranted?

I can't. I get sad when we suck no matter what. I want to win all the games. I never wanted to lose under Prince either.

I'd rather go 2-10 twice and fire a guy and move on than go 5-7 or 6-6 for five consecutive years. Of course the 2-10 years suck while they're happening, but they're for the greater good.

We got Ronnie fired after 3 years when he easily couldve been bowl eligible for all 3 if he didn't over schedule in the non-con.  Just takes some real vitriol from all parts of the fanbase.