JO

[420seriouscat69]

Just awful! His freshman numbers might be better than this years numbers.

[puniraptor]

He's broken. Blew his load bitching about fans on twitter, now he's spent.

[The1BigWillie]

TOP 50 Big Man!!!!! :derp:

[WavetheWheat]

Your buddy Doug Gottlieb (remember when he was the coach for like 4 minutes) said JO is the same player as Jeff Withey.  I thought it was an interesting statement at the time.

[MakeItRain]

From last week's thread also titled JO
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25125.0

He's been having back spasms the last two games

ok. i'm going to roll with this. i expect full jo beast by conf play though. johnson shouldn't be taking minutes from him.

Unfortunately he wasn't having back spasms the first 6 weeks of the season.  JO is bad because he is lost in this offense.  Sophomore second half and junior JO was much better when we went to the pinch post.  He didn't have to play with his back to the basket.  He could play in the high post with pick and rolls and he could crash to the basket when needed.  He is exclusively playing back to the basket now, which not only hurts his offensive production but it hurts his ability to rebound the ball offensively.

He has taken his offensive issues to the defensive end.  I think this is a combination of him taking his offensive issues with him and frankly not playing hard enough or tough enough.  This is on him and the coaching staff.  He is a senior, he shouldn't need to be motivated by external sources.  That being said the coaching staff had 6 months to watch film and needed to do a better job of putting the best players in the position to succeed and they aren't doing that with any of our best players, Will is comfortable though so that's good.  I can't stand Mike Decourcey, but he warned about this exact thing with Weber before the season started.

[kougar24]

Your buddy Doug Gottlieb (remember when he was the coach for like 4 minutes) said JO is the same player as Jeff Withey.  I thought it was an interesting statement at the time.

You didn't catch the implied part of Gottlieb's statement that went, "if JO wasn't coached in his final year by a buffoon."

[Pete]

Your buddy Doug Gottlieb (remember when he was the coach for like 4 minutes) said JO is the same player as Jeff Withey.  I thought it was an interesting statement at the time.

I think that if they had identical coaching, this statement isn't too far fetched at all.

[ChiComCat]

Your buddy Doug Gottlieb (remember when he was the coach for like 4 minutes) said JO is the same player as Jeff Withey.  I thought it was an interesting statement at the time.

I think good JO is up there.  I think bad JO is not.  When good JO played against Withey/KU posts his Soph year (@ Bram), he was pretty dominant.  We have seen a lot more bad JO lately.  He has always struggled with consistency whereas Withey knows the things he can do to help his team on even an off night.

[kso_FAN]

From last week's thread also titled JO
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25125.0

He's been having back spasms the last two games

ok. i'm going to roll with this. i expect full jo beast by conf play though. johnson shouldn't be taking minutes from him.

Unfortunately he wasn't having back spasms the first 6 weeks of the season.  JO is bad because he is lost in this offense.  Sophomore second half and junior JO was much better when we went to the pinch post.  He didn't have to play with his back to the basket.  He could play in the high post with pick and rolls and he could crash to the basket when needed.  He is exclusively playing back to the basket now, which not only hurts his offensive production but it hurts his ability to rebound the ball offensively.

He has taken his offensive issues to the defensive end.  I think this is a combination of him taking his offensive issues with him and frankly not playing hard enough or tough enough.  This is on him and the coaching staff.  He is a senior, he shouldn't need to be motivated by external sources.  That being said the coaching staff had 6 months to watch film and needed to do a better job of putting the best players in the position to succeed and they aren't doing that with any of our best players, Will is comfortable though so that's good.  I can't stand Mike Decourcey, but he warned about this exact thing with Weber before the season started.

You nailed it with this and its an epidemic with the entire team.

Frank's system was clear, simple, and easy for players to follow. There was structure and pattern to both offense and defense, and we all complained about it when it didn't work. But built into all of it was an attitude of toughness and effort that permeated the program.

That was K-State basketball.

I was wrong about the players not being able to keep that attitude under Weber. I do believe looking back at Weber's career that there was a time that he coached well. His teams at SIU played at a fast pace with suffocating defense and were tough. When Lowry took over at SIU that toughness remained. Somewhere along the way both lost it nearly simultaneously and now we have both bringing their coaching search in badly failed situations with them to K-State and this program is paying the price. This team is lost because these coaches are lost and I don't think they have any answers anymore and its clear watching this team play.

[ednksu]

Unfortunately he wasn't having back spasms the first 6 weeks of the season.  JO is bad because he is lost in this offense.  Sophomore second half and junior JO was much better when we went to the pinch post.  He didn't have to play with his back to the basket.  He could play in the high post with pick and rolls and he could crash to the basket when needed.  He is exclusively playing back to the basket now, which not only hurts his offensive production but it hurts his ability to rebound the ball offensively.

He has taken his offensive issues to the defensive end.  I think this is a combination of him taking his offensive issues with him and frankly not playing hard enough or tough enough.  This is on him and the coaching staff.  He is a senior, he shouldn't need to be motivated by external sources.  That being said the coaching staff had 6 months to watch film and needed to do a better job of putting the best players in the position to succeed and they aren't doing that with any of our best players, Will is comfortable though so that's good.  I can't stand Mike Decourcey, but he warned about this exact thing with Weber before the season started.

Good post MiR

[michigancat]

JO may miss Greenawaldt more than anyone.

[kougar24]

From last week's thread also titled JO
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25125.0

He's been having back spasms the last two games

ok. i'm going to roll with this. i expect full jo beast by conf play though. johnson shouldn't be taking minutes from him.

Unfortunately he wasn't having back spasms the first 6 weeks of the season.  JO is bad because he is lost in this offense.  Sophomore second half and junior JO was much better when we went to the pinch post.  He didn't have to play with his back to the basket.  He could play in the high post with pick and rolls and he could crash to the basket when needed.  He is exclusively playing back to the basket now, which not only hurts his offensive production but it hurts his ability to rebound the ball offensively.

He has taken his offensive issues to the defensive end.  I think this is a combination of him taking his offensive issues with him and frankly not playing hard enough or tough enough.  This is on him and the coaching staff.  He is a senior, he shouldn't need to be motivated by external sources.  That being said the coaching staff had 6 months to watch film and needed to do a better job of putting the best players in the position to succeed and they aren't doing that with any of our best players, Will is comfortable though so that's good.  I can't stand Mike Decourcey, but he warned about this exact thing with Weber before the season started.

You nailed it with this and its an epidemic with the entire team.

Frank's system was clear, simple, and easy for players to follow. There was structure and pattern to both offense and defense, and we all complained about it when it didn't work. But built into all of it was an attitude of toughness and effort that permeated the program.

That was K-State basketball.

I was wrong about the players not being able to keep that attitude under Weber. I do believe looking back at Weber's career that there was a time that he coached well. His teams at SIU played at a fast pace with suffocating defense and were tough. When Lowry took over at SIU that toughness remained. Somewhere along the way both lost it nearly simultaneously and now we have both bringing their coaching search in badly failed situations with them to K-State and this program is paying the price. This team is lost because these coaches are lost and I don't think they have any answers anymore and its clear watching this team play.

 

[JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross]

He is shooting 12% from the FT line (2-16).

[Sandstone Outcropping]

He is shooting 12% from the FT line (2-16).

Well. Glad he was able to pull that from the fire.

[Teddy_Westside]

JO may miss Greenawaldt more than anyone.

This.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

gotta agree that JO is lost.  why did people expect him to be good in the first place?  In my opinion here is are the pros and cons of JO:

pros:
solid rebounding,
plays hard(disregarding parts of this season),
experience

cons:
bad jump shot,
bad foul shooting,
strength/athleticism are average at best,
poor understanding of offense,
unskilled/uncomfortable with back-to-basket (as MiR pointed out),
fragile emotionally and easily frustrated/discouraged

Diaz is the same player, only weaker and more inexperienced...although he is a slightly better shooter.  Realistically, our best F/C is a 6-8 freshman.  What this all means for our swing offense is that we can't score because our big guys can neither create high percentage shots inside nor step away from the basket and knock down jump shots.  If we had good perimeter shooters to take some pressure off Rodney, we could design a system around that.  However, Angel shoots poorly(<35%) while Will is only mediocre(37%).

[LickNeckey]

as a pinch post face up big he would occasionally crash the lane and DOB's

that is now gone 

[kougar24]

gotta agree that JO is lost.  why did people expect him to be good in the first place?  In my opinion here is are the pros and cons of JO:

pros:
solid rebounding

[FuzzyWuzzy]

hey i'm trying to throw him a bone.  plus, if you are 6-11 and play at all hard it is tough to not be a solid rebounder.

[kougar24]

hey i'm trying to throw him a bone.  plus, if you are 6-11 and play at all hard it is tough to not be a solid rebounder.

apparently it's hard for JO, because he's not.

[bigwillie20]

Every time he gets  at the rim by some 6'7" defender 

He might actually have been rejected more times than he has ones himself...sad

[MakeItRain]

Diaz is the same player

I don't agree with this at all.  I also don't think he is emotionally fragile and easily frustrated.  I just think he doesn't know how to play hard and tough without being nudged, some guys are like that.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Diaz is the same player

yea,this was prolly a dumb statement, but they do have many of the same weaknesses.

I also don't think he is emotionally fragile and easily frustrated.

wasn't he suspended last season for essentially having a bad attitude?

[8manpick]

Diaz is the same player

yea,this was prolly a dumb statement, but they do have many of the same weaknesses.

I also don't think he is emotionally fragile and easily frustrated.

wasn't he suspended last season for essentially having a bad attitude?

Why are those things connected?

[CNS]

If he didn't play this year under frank, frank wouldn't be telling ppl that he had back spasms.