One year Weber

[michigancat]

a long, long time ago some friends and i called dana altmans house and told his wife to tell him to quit and leave and get out of town and three weeks later he took the creighton job. just sayin.

That's great.

[ednksu]

Pressure has to start now.  That doesn't mean shitty tweets to Shulz threatening him. That means popular advocacy that we deserve something better than this retread piece of crap. If you're an Ahearn donor, that means describing that you support Big 12 championship basketball, not this horseshit. 

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Realistically, when is the soonest that people think Weber would/could be removed?

I honestly think we're looking at a four year minimum.  Three if ticket sales plummet and we take a Texas Tech like dive.

probably could maybe get him gone sooner if he starts to feel intense personal heat. like people coming up to him on the street telling him to beat it and get lost. a long, long time ago some friends and i called dana altmans house and told his wife to tell him to quit and leave and get out of town and three weeks later he took the creighton job. just sayin.

I didn't see his wife last night, but I think I was loud enough for him to hear me.

[sys]

You said if its on public record, it must be true, like a tuck idiot.  Well Frank and Currie are both on record saying everything was hunky dory, so it must be true.  Taken at face value I'm going to stick with reporters and the players they talked to saying they were going to leave.  Than I'll use common sense and logic to figure out who.  You can keep your head in the sand.

your position, as i understand it, then, is that you choose to believe the players when they talk to reporters.  except that you're not a tuck idiot, so you choose not to believe the players when they talk to reporters.  to decide between the former and the latter you rely on what you consider to be common sense and logic.

it is possible that do consistently and logically screen public comments for truthfulness.  you haven't made your logic available for review, nor displayed evidence of your common sense, so i have no means of affirming or disputing your claim.  moreover, if you summarily dismiss evidence that conflicts with your already formed opinions, i can see little reason to continue this discussion.  the only evidence i can offer, unfortunately are statements from the players involved.

[ednksu]

You said if its on public record, it must be true, like a tuck idiot.  Well Frank and Currie are both on record saying everything was hunky dory, so it must be true.  Taken at face value I'm going to stick with reporters and the players they talked to saying they were going to leave.  Than I'll use common sense and logic to figure out who.  You can keep your head in the sand.

your position, as i understand it, then, is that you choose to believe the players when they talk to reporters.  except that you're not a tuck idiot, so you choose not to believe the players when they talk to reporters.  to decide between the former and the latter you rely on what you consider to be common sense and logic.

it is possible that do consistently and logically screen public comments for truthfulness.  you haven't made your logic available for review, nor displayed evidence of your common sense, so i have no means of affirming or disputing your claim.  moreover, if you summarily dismiss evidence that conflicts with your already formed opinions, i can see little reason to continue this discussion.  the only evidence i can offer, unfortunately are statements from the players involved.

I'll make this simple

I trust multiple reporters saying anywhere between 1 and (I believe) 6 players were contemplating leaving or were unhappy with the Frank regime and wanted to quit (Rodney).  I saw multiple instances of Frank franking good players.  I believe tweets about players transferring especially when there is no denial, but rather just a dispute to the timeline. I trust my own eyes when players tweet pictures of themselves interacting with Frank and than interacting with oscar as evidence of their dissatisfaction.   

You believe 'coach speak' and public statements meant to soften the blow to tucks who can't see the forest for the trees, kinda like how you are acting now. I have made my position very clear.  Frank was going to frank multiple players and or multiple players were going to self frank.

But none of this matters now.  We have an ultra shitty coach, that needs to be dealt with before the entirety of our program is burned down only leaving a shinny new, wasted, BBTF, an empty octagon, and shattered dreams of what could have been. 

[sys]

i also believe between 1-6 players were contemplating leaving.  and i believe between 1-6 players actually would have left.  i also believe art and mcgruder were not in either group.

i have seen/heard both publicly available and not publicly available evidence that convinces me of all those things (except for mcgruder, i have just seen/heard publicly available evidence regarding him).

i do not believe that you have any evidence, either publicly available or not, that would suggest that art was among those contemplating leaving.  i am extremely confident of that.  i do not believe you have any evidence, either publicly available or not, that would suggest that mcgruder was among those contemplating leaving.  i am relatively confident of that.


it matters, because the truth always matters.

[felix rex]

The scariest part is that the only real success oscar has had has been in year 1 with someone else's players. If there was any reason for optimism going into this season based on oscar's track record it was this. The talking point favored on other boards that we need to wait until oscar gets his own guys in here is not based in reality. It's going to get worse. Much, much worse.

Foot in the wood chipper

[MakeItRain]

Who's piece was it that basically named the players a few months ago?  I bet you believe Rodney was happy too.

both art and mcgruder have publicly stated that they were happy playing bball for martin.  art has publicly talked about his friendship with martin.  art wasn't far away from transferring to scar (not publicly stated, but i know it to be true).  you don't have to have a good, a decent, a memory to know things, there's google for people like you.

I'll take the good work done by reporters over the claims made by team pseudo message board crew.

whats absolutely hilarious about edn's post is that he is referring to the stupid ass jug of Snyder blog post which the source at best is Will Spradling's dad or one of his people but it is most likely that the source was wabash station.


classic edn, cue him making some hilarious post about me and deflecting his hilarious post.

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A shitload of players had said they'd leave if Frank comes back, because getting yelled at sucks.  We all say things when we're mad that we'd never go through with.  Will and Nino would've left; that's it.

[Dugout DickStone]

I think ART listened to Frank after Frank left but that's pretty common knowledge.  He wasn't one of the whiners originally.  It was the Suther cry guys

[ednksu]

Who's piece was it that basically named the players a few months ago?  I bet you believe Rodney was happy too.

both art and mcgruder have publicly stated that they were happy playing bball for martin.  art has publicly talked about his friendship with martin.  art wasn't far away from transferring to scar (not publicly stated, but i know it to be true).  you don't have to have a good, a decent, a memory to know things, there's google for people like you.

I'll take the good work done by reporters over the claims made by team pseudo message board crew.

whats absolutely hilarious about edn's post is that he is referring to the stupid ass jug of Snyder blog post which the source at best is Will Spradling's dad or one of his people but it is most likely that the source was wabash station.


classic edn, cue him making some hilarious post about me and deflecting his hilarious post.

yeah it was the jug post.  I have no problem admitting that. 
Quite frankly it adds up better than team pseudo's bullshit group think. 
If you couldn't see that Rodney was unhappy under Frank than your blind.  I would be willing to entertain discussions about Angel, but I refuse to believe in your sources for a verity of reasons.  At least as Herm Edwards says, put your name on it, when it comes to sources. This is the first I've seen you talk about your magical sources that know all at K-State.  So why don't you share some more about the inner workings.  I would rather trust what I see in the way multiple players interact with Frank than your message board fodder. 

And any time MiR wants to engage on his tactics on this board I'll go into that discussion.  Or I could just make childish immature jabs at someone closing out my post, but that might be taken as a deflection.  /team pseudo 

[Cartierfor3]

Haven't we all said "My boss is a jerk, I'm quitting tomorrow" only to keep working there?

[sys]

yeah it was the jug post.  I have no problem admitting that. 

oh.  i'm sorry i spoke to you as if you were a rational person.  i should have left things at "lol @ you, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)".  i need to do a better job of remembering which posters post what quality of posts.

[Cire]

what are the odds that angel makes it through the season on the roster?  He's here next year?

[michigancat]

Angel will finish the season here, but he'll probably transfer.

[bigwillie20]

Not sure where to put this

http://www.lostlettermen.com/slideshow/cbb-top-10-most-overpaid-coaches/#1

The biggest elephant in the room during Weber’s tenure at Illinois is that he rode the coattails of Illini predecessor Bill Self and his stud recruits (namely Dee Brown and Deron Williams) to his most successful years.

That theory gained momentum in the seasons after Williams and Brown left as Weber failed to find success with his own recruits. Considering the school’s natural (one would think) in to the bevy of great players in Chicago, it was rather inexcusable on Weber’s part. Thus Weber was fired last season after a woeful 17-15 year.

Yet somehow Kansas State is confident that Weber can lure recruits to the Little Apple. Confident enough that they’re already paying Weber more than they paid former coach Frank Martin ($1.3MM), even though Martin is widely considered a better coach and recruiter.

[felix rex]

Angel will finish the season here, but he'll probably transfer.

Good for you, Angel. Good for you. 

[LickNeckey]

Not sure where to put this

http://www.lostlettermen.com/slideshow/cbb-top-10-most-overpaid-coaches/#1

The biggest elephant in the room during Weber’s tenure at Illinois is that he rode the coattails of Illini predecessor Bill Self and his stud recruits (namely Dee Brown and Deron Williams) to his most successful years.

That theory gained momentum in the seasons after Williams and Brown left as Weber failed to find success with his own recruits. Considering the school’s natural (one would think) in to the bevy of great players in Chicago, it was rather inexcusable on Weber’s part. Thus Weber was fired last season after a woeful 17-15 year.

Yet somehow Kansas State is confident that Weber can lure recruits to the Little Apple. Confident enough that they’re already paying Weber more than they paid former coach Frank Martin ($1.3MM), even though Martin is widely considered a better coach and recruiter.

clearly this guy wasn't saying such things before we hired him.

because nobody had anything to say about oscar!!!   

[ednksu]

Not sure where to put this

http://www.lostlettermen.com/slideshow/cbb-top-10-most-overpaid-coaches/#1

The biggest elephant in the room during Weber’s tenure at Illinois is that he rode the coattails of Illini predecessor Bill Self and his stud recruits (namely Dee Brown and Deron Williams) to his most successful years.

That theory gained momentum in the seasons after Williams and Brown left as Weber failed to find success with his own recruits. Considering the school’s natural (one would think) in to the bevy of great players in Chicago, it was rather inexcusable on Weber’s part. Thus Weber was fired last season after a woeful 17-15 year.

Yet somehow Kansas State is confident that Weber can lure recruits to the Little Apple. Confident enough that they’re already paying Weber more than they paid former coach Frank Martin ($1.3MM), even though Martin is widely considered a better coach and recruiter.

clearly this guy wasn't saying such things before we hired him.

because nobody had anything to say about oscar!!!   

sometimes I wonder if the college basketball community was trolling Schulz and the K-State0 world by letting us hire oscar.  Like they all fed us a line of bullshit and each person took his nice guy persona a step further, just to see if we would call bullshit.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Not sure where to put this

http://www.lostlettermen.com/slideshow/cbb-top-10-most-overpaid-coaches/#1

The biggest elephant in the room during Weber’s tenure at Illinois is that he rode the coattails of Illini predecessor Bill Self and his stud recruits (namely Dee Brown and Deron Williams) to his most successful years.

That theory gained momentum in the seasons after Williams and Brown left as Weber failed to find success with his own recruits. Considering the school’s natural (one would think) in to the bevy of great players in Chicago, it was rather inexcusable on Weber’s part. Thus Weber was fired last season after a woeful 17-15 year.

Yet somehow Kansas State is confident that Weber can lure recruits to the Little Apple. Confident enough that they’re already paying Weber more than they paid former coach Frank Martin ($1.3MM), even though Martin is widely considered a better coach and recruiter.

clearly this guy wasn't saying such things before we hired him.

because nobody had anything to say about oscar!!!   

sometimes I wonder if the college basketball community was trolling Schulz and the K-State0 world by letting us hire oscar.  Like they all fed us a line of bullshit and each person took his nice guy persona a step further, just to see if we would call bullshit.

dude- we asked people that were best friends with him what they thought about him. what did you expect them to say?


"hey former ksu student gene keady, what do you think of oscar weber?"

"oh you mean oscar weber the guy that i've known for over thirty years and the guy that's going to be the best man at my wedding in three months? that oscar weber? oh yeah he's horrible. definitely don't pay him 1.5 million to go be your coach."

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At least as Herm Edwards says, put your name on it, when it comes to sources.

Yeah, like "jugofsnyder" (Dean Jameson, struggling writer in western kansas) did.

FYI, his source was the rumor mill promulgated by Matt Suther, Will Spradling's dad and John Currie.

[LickNeckey]

Can we just trade for Mike Davis while they are in town?