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« on: December 11, 2012, 07:16:13 PM »


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Re: Michigan
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 09:54:17 PM »
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 10:08:25 PM »
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 10:22:06 PM »
love ya Tom, but Jesus Christ....give it up

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2012, 10:23:25 PM »
love ya Tom, but Jesus Christ....give it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ZT71DxLuM&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 10:38:25 PM »


hey, dip shits. Your Prez dude at the national level makes $380k year. His top cronies make $200k. The union has $169,000,000 in net assets (source: LM2 filing 2012, DOL)

but keep picketing that "R2W" law

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2012, 09:07:17 AM »


hey, dip shits. Your Prez dude at the national level makes $380k year. His top cronies make $200k. The union has $169,000,000 in net assets (source: LM2 filing 2012, DOL)

but keep picketing that "R2W" law

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Is $380k a lot of money for the CEO of a large labor organization? I mean school administrators make more than $100k and that seems more ridiculous to me.

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2012, 09:10:56 AM »


hey, dip shits. Your Prez dude at the national level makes $380k year. His top cronies make $200k. The union has $169,000,000 in net assets (source: LM2 filing 2012, DOL)

but keep picketing that "R2W" law

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Is $380k a lot of money for the CEO of a large labor organization? I mean school administrators make more than $100k and that seems more ridiculous to me.

AND THEY GET SUMMERS OFF?!?!? GEEZ, ITS PRACTICALLY A PART TIME JOB!!!

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2012, 09:21:26 AM »


hey, dip shits. Your Prez dude at the national level makes $380k year. His top cronies make $200k. The union has $169,000,000 in net assets (source: LM2 filing 2012, DOL)

but keep picketing that "R2W" law

 :lol:

Is $380k a lot of money for the CEO of a large labor organization? I mean school administrators make more than $100k and that seems more ridiculous to me.

AND THEY GET SUMMERS OFF?!?!? GEEZ, ITS PRACTICALLY A PART TIME JOB!!!

I don't really care about the summers off so much as most of them being awful at their jobs and still getting paid well regardless of performance.

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2012, 11:41:44 AM »
well yeah theyre both ridiculous

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2012, 11:54:10 AM »
I think they're both perfectly reasonable. :dunno:

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2012, 11:57:20 AM »
$100K to manage hundreds of teachers and thousands of students is excessive?

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2012, 01:08:36 PM »
$100K to manage hundreds of teachers and thousands of students is excessive?

It depends on the results, really. Most are not getting them.

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2012, 02:00:28 PM »
$100K to manage hundreds of teachers and thousands of students is excessive?

It depends on the results, really. Most are not getting them.

no sonofnk, it doesn't.  the job pays what it pays.  if the person filling it isn't competent, that person should be replaced, not paid less.
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2012, 02:14:27 PM »
$100K to manage hundreds of teachers and thousands of students is excessive?

It depends on the results, really. Most are not getting them.

no sonofnk, it doesn't.  the job pays what it pays.  if the person filling it isn't competent, that person should be replaced, not paid less.

That's a good point.

Say what you will, but in a time where the total number of teaching positions is declining and teachers are not getting raises, it's pretty disconcerting to see an increase in the number of administrators and an increase in their salaries. Less teachers to supervise, more money earned. Sounds nice.

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2012, 02:53:01 PM »
in a time where the total number of teaching positions is declining and teachers are not getting raises, it's pretty disconcerting to see an increase in the number of administrators and an increase in their salaries. Less teachers to supervise, more money earned. Sounds nice.

yeah, prolly.  don't know, don't really care.  just wanted to call you sonofnk.
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2012, 06:21:38 PM »
the point is that the unions are sucking millions upon millions away from these laborers yet they're worried about the "R2W" law. I mean, come on.

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2012, 06:51:30 PM »
the point is that the unions are sucking millions upon millions away from these laborers yet they're worried about the "R2W" law. I mean, come on.

you may not have the best sense of proportionality.
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2012, 07:25:12 PM »
I also like how this new brand of Republican neo conservative terrorism is using the law against judicial review. 
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2012, 12:21:42 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2012, 09:54:45 AM »
Senior administrators at small rural school systems around here pull in $125 to $150K.

Plus some retire here with full beni's and then travel just across the state line and get another administrative job.


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Re: Michigan
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2012, 07:36:17 PM »
eff unions in their current form. No one should be forced to participate in a union, by law or coercion.  Its patently criminal.
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2012, 07:52:53 PM »
Senior administrators at small rural school systems around here pull in $125 to $150K.

Plus some retire here with full beni's and then travel just across the state line and get another administrative job.

What the the max that educators should earn?  I mean considering that there is literally no way to get a significant promotion in pay in most right to work states as an educator, what should we tell people at the very beginning when they enter the profession is the most they could ever possibly earn?

MHS Head Principal Terry McCarty just resigned to seek a superintendent job.  He was barely marking over $100K for running one of the and best academic/biggest high schools in the state.  If he went to KC, Topeka or Wichita he probably could've made a few extra bucks, but not significantly, so he's hoping to maaaaybe get to $200K as a superintendent depending on where he gets a job.  That is the absolute maximum executive position overseeing a multi-million dollar operation, millions in assets, over 1,000 employees and 5-7,000 students.

Good for him.  Unfortunate to see dax reduced to class warfare and butthurt jealousy about people's paychecks.

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Re: Michigan
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2012, 08:36:08 PM »
Senior administrators at small rural school systems around here pull in $125 to $150K.

Plus some retire here with full beni's and then travel just across the state line and get another administrative job.

What the the max that educators should earn?  I mean considering that there is literally no way to get a significant promotion in pay in most right to work states as an educator, what should we tell people at the very beginning when they enter the profession is the most they could ever possibly earn?

MHS Head Principal Terry McCarty just resigned to seek a superintendent job.  He was barely marking over $100K for running one of the and best academic/biggest high schools in the state.  If he went to KC, Topeka or Wichita he probably could've made a few extra bucks, but not significantly, so he's hoping to maaaaybe get to $200K as a superintendent depending on where he gets a job.  That is the absolute maximum executive position overseeing a multi-million dollar operation, millions in assets, over 1,000 employees and 5-7,000 students.

Good for him.  Unfortunate to see dax reduced to class warfare and butthurt jealousy about people's paychecks.

I think the salaries are a bit low but not outrageously so, it's a tough gig and certainly not the least stressful or easiest way to earn six figures.  What is the lowest a kansas teacher can be paid per year like 30k?  Basically our top public school admins in kansas are making at a max 4 times more than the lowest teacher salary they manage.  That sounds lower than in the private sector when talking about upper management compared to average worker salary.  Not sure why dax picked this one.
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Re: Michigan
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2012, 09:15:56 PM »
Teachers should start at 50k and then we would get better/smarter teachers.  Also, get rid of the 'education' major at colleges.
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