Party identification and Kansas State Basketball: Loyalists and Revolutionaries

[kougar24]

The same people who hated Frank, would also hate the idea of Pearl.

another pro for #tradebruces

[michigancat]

People would forget about Pearl's barbecue pretty quickly, and he's far more personable than Frank. No chip on his shoulder, and although I'm sure he is a dick to players like all college coaches are, he makes somewhat less of a show of it than Frank does. And he always look like he's coaching, which stupid people love.

[catzacker]

People would forget about Pearl's barbecue pretty quickly, and he's far more personable than Frank. No chip on his shoulder, and although I'm sure he is a dick to players like all college coaches are, he makes somewhat less of a show of it than Frank does. And he always look like he's coaching, which stupid people love.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Where did I see oscar Pearl this weekend?  Was it CBS or ESPN?

Defense/Offense/Rebounding.

Under Frank in most games at last one was very good and another was good, making for weakness elsewhere.   Many games there were two crucial areas that were very good.

I don't see that happening under oscar.   I see many stretches were Webers system can get us many open looks and we won't be able to knock them, and we won't make up for that elsewhere.

[Dr Rick Daris]

IMO, it’s tough for me to care about basketball...

This is true for me too, and I won't deny it.

Part is due to great football, but under Frank K-State basketball was can't miss not only because we had good teams but because of Frank. Weber simply doesn't bring that factor, but I've come to the conclusion that whether or not he succeeds or fails we probably won't get that back any time soon, even on the next hire. The opportunity we had with Gottlieb would've been the closest thing, but that ship sailed. Even if oscar completely burns it down and fails and somehow gets fired after only 2 or 3 seasons, the next hire will probably be on the safe side and not a personality like Frank. Granted, it likely won't be something like oscar where its easy to cause division because the guy just got fired, but it will be safe.

an apathetic _fan might be the worst sign yet as to how this whole thing is going to work itself out and i'm being at least 90% serious.

also, part of the reason frank ball was great were the reasons you mentioned, but the other more important part was that there was at least the thought that each team he coached could be great. even if it was just for a day or a week, you knew that each of the teams could and probably would do some amazing things. wins over top 5 teams on the road. first coach in 15 years to beat ku. elite 8 run. sweeping mu last year. all of those things were just incredible and the peaks with frank were just such incredible peaks that you always held out hope because you just never knew. i just watch this team this year and i just don't even think they have a shot at shocking the world or doing something amazing and until they do i don't see how this oscar plane will ever get off the ground. it's just depressing.

Great post

Yeah. The emotional impact of having hope shouldn't be underestimated.

yes. the big problem is that fans will still have hope.

it's just that the hope will be diluted from what it was previously. instead of hope for greatness, it will be hope for above averageness. instead of hoping to make another run in the tourney, it will be hoping to just get into the tourney. that's what has some people worried. that the hope will still be there and that it will be enough for most. it won't be for me and for some others though. we saw what could be done and we liked it too much to ever quietly go back to that.

[CNS]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

I have no hope of it ever happening, but I would love it soooooo much.

It's the kind of hire that would have prevented the division of fans that splintered off to be butthurt about frank. 

[0.42]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

I have no hope of it ever happening, but I would love it soooooo much.

It's the kind of hire that would have prevented the division of fans that splintered off to be butthurt about frank.

Well there would've been a split if Pearl had been hired, it's just that the butthurt would be on the other side of the aisle. Which is ok.

[pissclams]

i'm not so sure, cns casey.  firing oscar weber, buying out his contract, and then hiring oscar pearl is exactly the type of move i can see a fiscally conservative, risk averse, athletic director making.

[CNS]

i'm not so sure, cns casey.  firing oscar weber, buying out his contract, and then hiring oscar pearl is exactly the type of move i can see a fiscally conservative, risk averse, athletic director making.

Well the same fiscally conservative, risk averse, athletic director is paying our oscar $1.7M eventhough his only other known job oppy was College of Charleston or Charlotte, or whatever.  Gotta think we are paying about $1m/yr over what his other option was.

That said, of course we aren't buying out oscar.

[WillieWatanabe]

People would forget about Pearl's barbecue pretty quickly, and he's far more personable than Frank. No chip on his shoulder, and although I'm sure he is a dick to players like all college coaches are, he makes somewhat less of a show of it than Frank does. And he always look like he's coaching, which stupid people love.

 

Ya. Constructive criticism during the game is apparently really important to some people.

[bigwillie20]

It's the kind of hire that would have prevented the division of fans that splintered off to be butthurt about frank.

Seems to me there are at least 3 groups

-eff Frank/Give oscar a chance
-Frank Butthurt/eff oscar
-No Frank butthurt/eff oscar

I am in the last camp

[pissclams]

It's the kind of hire that would have prevented the division of fans that splintered off to be butthurt about frank.

Seems to me there are at least 3 groups

-eff Frank/Give oscar a chance
-Frank Butthurt/eff oscar
-No Frank butthurt/eff oscar

I am in the last camp

that sounds like the best one to be in! 

[catzacker]

People would forget about Pearl's barbecue pretty quickly, and he's far more personable than Frank. No chip on his shoulder, and although I'm sure he is a dick to players like all college coaches are, he makes somewhat less of a show of it than Frank does. And he always look like he's coaching, which stupid people love.

 

Ya. Constructive criticism during the game is apparently really important to some people.

Will hit that second FT at MU, so apparently whatever Frank said, worked.

[sys]

Aug 23, 2014

to god's ear!   

[Rage Against the McKee]

The same people who hated Frank, would also hate the idea of Pearl.

eff 'em.

[ednksu]

It's the kind of hire that would have prevented the division of fans that splintered off to be butthurt about frank.

Seems to me there are at least 3 groups

-eff Frank/Give oscar a chance
-Frank Butthurt/eff oscar
-No Frank butthurt/eff oscar

I am in the last camp

where do I sign up for the eff Frank/eff oscar team? I don't feel like I have Frank butthurt

The same people who hated Frank, would also hate the idea of Pearl.

Also this works on a few levels.

If we're talking about now, people with HBBIQ, its a really rough ridin' stupid comment.
If we're talking about now, with tucks, its an incredibly accurate comment.

Than the red herring of dispatching Wooly and what we would have done with Pearl many years ago.....oh we can dream......

[sys]

where do I sign up for the eff Frank/eff oscar team? I don't feel like I have Frank butthurt.

eff frank and frank butthurt are the same thing.

[ednksu]

where do I sign up for the eff Frank/eff oscar team? I don't feel like I have Frank butthurt.

eff frank and frank butthurt are the same thing.

not entirely comfortable with that.  Butthurt usually has a connotation of bitching without knowing why you are bitching or bitching for a petty reason.  You can put together a reasonable, logical argument for being in a eff Frank camp based on his track record and the way he left.

[chum1]

I don't know if this Pearl business is better or worse than the Gottlieb pipe dream.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

I don't know if this Pearl business is better or worse than the Gottlieb pipe dream.

It depends if another innocent sink is destroyed in the name of Pearl.

[sys]

Butthurt usually has a connotation of bitching without knowing why you are bitching or bitching for a petty reason.

it has the connotation that your butt hurts because someone mumped you right in the ass.  sometimes you got raped, sometimes, per fanning and sock, you just made that whole rapey thing up.  either way, butthurt.

[MakeItRain]

What the hell are you talking about, edn?  No one with HBBIQ hated Frank.

[ednksu]

What the hell are you talking about, edn?  No one with HBBIQ hated Frank.

not quite what I was saying.  I was getting at the fact you can be anti-Frank because of his failures as a coach/developer, recruiter, and his conduct/departure.  No one in their right mind can call that being butthurt.  I mean the fact is Frank is still a bigger part of the K-State brand that oscar is at this point, good or bad.