Party identification and Kansas State Basketball: Loyalists and Revolutionaries

[CNS]

If oscar burns us down, safe hires will be the worst thing we can do from that point on until we catch fire again. 

If we fail and return to jokebbU, we will need to take chances to get a vault back up again, and by chances I mean disgraced coaches who still smell of the rule book they were bludgeoned with shortly before we began contract negotiations.

[Dr Rick Daris]

IMO, it’s tough for me to care about basketball...

This is true for me too, and I won't deny it.

Part is due to great football, but under Frank K-State basketball was can't miss not only because we had good teams but because of Frank. Weber simply doesn't bring that factor, but I've come to the conclusion that whether or not he succeeds or fails we probably won't get that back any time soon, even on the next hire. The opportunity we had with Gottlieb would've been the closest thing, but that ship sailed. Even if oscar completely burns it down and fails and somehow gets fired after only 2 or 3 seasons, the next hire will probably be on the safe side and not a personality like Frank. Granted, it likely won't be something like oscar where its easy to cause division because the guy just got fired, but it will be safe.

an apathetic _fan might be the worst sign yet as to how this whole thing is going to work itself out and i'm being at least 90% serious.

also, part of the reason frank ball was great were the reasons you mentioned, but the other more important part was that there was at least the thought that each team he coached could be great. even if it was just for a day or a week, you knew that each of the teams could and probably would do some amazing things. wins over top 5 teams on the road. first coach in 15 years to beat ku. elite 8 run. sweeping mu last year. all of those things were just incredible and the peaks with frank were just such incredible peaks that you always held out hope because you just never knew. i just watch this team this year and i just don't even think they have a shot at shocking the world or doing something amazing and until they do i don't see how this oscar plane will ever get off the ground. it's just depressing.

[michigancat]

IMO, it’s tough for me to care about basketball...

This is true for me too, and I won't deny it.

Part is due to great football, but under Frank K-State basketball was can't miss not only because we had good teams but because of Frank. Weber simply doesn't bring that factor, but I've come to the conclusion that whether or not he succeeds or fails we probably won't get that back any time soon, even on the next hire. The opportunity we had with Gottlieb would've been the closest thing, but that ship sailed. Even if oscar completely burns it down and fails and somehow gets fired after only 2 or 3 seasons, the next hire will probably be on the safe side and not a personality like Frank. Granted, it likely won't be something like oscar where its easy to cause division because the guy just got fired, but it will be safe.

an apathetic _fan might be the worst sign yet as to how this whole thing is going to work itself out and i'm being at least 90% serious.

also, part of the reason frank ball was great were the reasons you mentioned, but the other more important part was that there was at least the thought that each team he coached could be great. even if it was just for a day or a week, you knew that each of the teams could and probably would do some amazing things. wins over top 5 teams on the road. first coach in 15 years to beat ku. elite 8 run. sweeping mu last year. all of those things were just incredible and the peaks with frank were just such incredible peaks that you always held out hope because you just never knew. i just watch this team this year and i just don't even think they have a shot at shocking the world or doing something amazing and until they do i don't see how this oscar plane will ever get off the ground. it's just depressing.

Great post

[kso_FAN]

Good points daris.

I think if this team can even get to shooting reasonably that we can win some games and generate a little excitement.

I'll even go so far to say I expect us to have a solid shooting game against Gonzaga or Florida; doesn't mean we'll win, but I think at least one of those games will go down to the last few minutes.

[michigancat]

Good points daris.

I think if this team can even get to shooting reasonably that we can win some games and generate a little excitement.

I'll even go so far to say I expect us to have a solid shooting game against Gonzaga or Florida; doesn't mean we'll win, but I think at least one of those games will go down to the last few minutes.

Yep, hopefully it comes down to us making plays, and them not making plays.

[Mr Bread]

Good points daris.

I think if this team can even get to shooting reasonably that we can win some games and generate a little excitement.

I'll even go so far to say I expect us to have a solid shooting game against Gonzaga or Florida; doesn't mean we'll win, but I think at least one of those games will go down to the last few minutes.

oscar has proven his teams can pull some pretty substantial upsets.  Hell he did it twice last year (Ohio State and Michigan State).  He also has seemed to have Few's number.  Illinois typically played disproportionately well against the zags under oscar, or at least that's the way it appeared.  3-1 and they were generally favored if memory serves.  Shockingly it was our offense that gave them fits. 

[kougar24]

Good points daris.

I think if this team can even get to shooting reasonably that we can win some games and generate a little excitement.

I'll even go so far to say I expect us to have a solid shooting game against Gonzaga or Florida; doesn't mean we'll win, but I think at least one of those games will go down to the last few minutes.

Yep, hopefully it comes down to us making plays, and them not making plays.

lol

[bigwillie20]

an apathetic _fan might be the worst sign yet as to how this whole thing is going to work itself out and i'm being at least 90% serious.

also, part of the reason frank ball was great were the reasons you mentioned, but the other more important part was that there was at least the thought that each team he coached could be great. even if it was just for a day or a week, you knew that each of the teams could and probably would do some amazing things. wins over top 5 teams on the road. first coach in 15 years to beat ku. elite 8 run. sweeping mu last year. all of those things were just incredible and the peaks with frank were just such incredible peaks that you always held out hope because you just never knew. i just watch this team this year and i just don't even think they have a shot at shocking the world or doing something amazing and until they do i don't see how this oscar plane will ever get off the ground. it's just depressing.

[kso_FAN]

Good points daris.

I think if this team can even get to shooting reasonably that we can win some games and generate a little excitement.

I'll even go so far to say I expect us to have a solid shooting game against Gonzaga or Florida; doesn't mean we'll win, but I think at least one of those games will go down to the last few minutes.

Yep, hopefully it comes down to us making plays, and them not making plays.

lol

You guys are mean.

[michigancat]

I looked for the exact quote after I posted it, and found this gem of a trip down memory lane (features TWO Texas Tech was too much for us quotes):

http://www.famousquotes.com/author/jim-wooldridge

[kougar24]

I looked for the exact quote after I posted it, and found this gem of a trip down memory lane (features TWO Texas Tech was too much for us quotes):

http://www.famousquotes.com/author/jim-wooldridge

“We had our shot and we needed a play or two here or there. I think I have a good basketball team. I wish we could have made a couple more plays ... I think we are really close.”

It's too early in the week to feel so depressed. Thanks A LOT, mich.

[kso_FAN]

“We had our shot and we needed a play or two here or there. I think I have a good basketball team. I wish we could have made a couple more plays ... I think we are really close.”

That is the ultimate Wooly quote.

[0.42]

IMO, it’s tough for me to care about basketball...

This is true for me too, and I won't deny it.

Part is due to great football, but under Frank K-State basketball was can't miss not only because we had good teams but because of Frank. Weber simply doesn't bring that factor, but I've come to the conclusion that whether or not he succeeds or fails we probably won't get that back any time soon, even on the next hire. The opportunity we had with Gottlieb would've been the closest thing, but that ship sailed. Even if oscar completely burns it down and fails and somehow gets fired after only 2 or 3 seasons, the next hire will probably be on the safe side and not a personality like Frank. Granted, it likely won't be something like oscar where its easy to cause division because the guy just got fired, but it will be safe.

an apathetic _fan might be the worst sign yet as to how this whole thing is going to work itself out and i'm being at least 90% serious.

also, part of the reason frank ball was great were the reasons you mentioned, but the other more important part was that there was at least the thought that each team he coached could be great. even if it was just for a day or a week, you knew that each of the teams could and probably would do some amazing things. wins over top 5 teams on the road. first coach in 15 years to beat ku. elite 8 run. sweeping mu last year. all of those things were just incredible and the peaks with frank were just such incredible peaks that you always held out hope because you just never knew. i just watch this team this year and i just don't even think they have a shot at shocking the world or doing something amazing and until they do i don't see how this oscar plane will ever get off the ground. it's just depressing.

Great post

Yeah. The emotional impact of having hope shouldn't be underestimated. The worst part about our current situation is that we're all waiting for the other shoe to drop when really it'll most likely just be death by a thousand cuts.

[sys]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

[catzacker]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

Aug 23, 2014

[CNS]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

Oh man... 

all in.

[0.42]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

YES!

[Cire]

I looked for the exact quote after I posted it, and found this gem of a trip down memory lane (features TWO Texas Tech was too much for us quotes):

http://www.famousquotes.com/author/jim-wooldridge

“We had our shot and we needed a play or two here or there. I think I have a good basketball team. I wish we could have made a couple more plays ... I think we are really close.”

It's too early in the week to feel so depressed. Thanks A LOT, mich.

was that post CU/ISU?

[kso_FAN]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

Give me the odds of that happening...

[michigancat]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

don't do this to me.

[CNS]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

Give me the odds of that happening...

Depends on Currie's job search, I would imagine. 

[catzacker]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

Give me the odds of that happening...

...same as Timmy hiring Huggins?     where's Fogler at?

[kougar24]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

[willie]

we could get back to exciting, kstatesque, _fan-engaging bball in one year.  just trade out bruces.

From your lips to god's ears...

[MakeItRain]

The same people who hated Frank, would also hate the idea of Pearl.