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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2012, 04:42:16 AM »
Well this started off as a discussion about how many bubble teams the Big 12 would get, it has turned into a measure on conference futility.  Does it get worse than this

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323512641

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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2012, 07:54:47 AM »
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 17, 2012, 04:42:16 AM
Well this started off as a discussion about how many bubble teams the Big 12 would get, it has turned into a measure on conference futility.  Does it get worse than this

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323512641

Josh Gray, leading scorer

bench guy had 17, but yeah.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #102 on: December 17, 2012, 07:20:59 PM »
I was bored.  Avg RPI of Opp's as of right now (rpi's from statsheet):

thru 8 games (D2 doesn't count)
11/12:  170
12/13:  167

Overall non-con
11/12:  173
12/13:  171
Noncon Analysis:  more elite competition this year (3 top 15 opp's vs. 3 top 60 opp's) combined with more shitty competition (6 200+ opp's vs. 4 last year).  We've haven't played a team in the 30-60 range at all; it's either been top 15 or 139+.

Conference
11/12:  86
12/13:  108

Conf Analysis:  mediocrity thy name is the Big 12.  There's only 3 opp's in the top 60 teams vs. 5 top 60 last year (basically, oscar only gets 6 opportunities this year to get a "quality win" compared to 10 last year).  It looks like oscar may get to rack up a ton of meaningless wins.  If oscar lost all of his top 60 games in conf and won the remainder, he'd be 21-9 (12-6) with zero wins on the season in the top 60.  Man, I miss caring enough to start a thread about our NIT seed.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #103 on: December 17, 2012, 09:20:42 PM »
Is the third top 60 OU?  They seem a little  fools goldy to me and even a young and inconsistent OSU squad could end up outside the top 50( I assume you used top 60 to be as kind to the Big 12 as possible). 
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #104 on: December 17, 2012, 11:25:19 PM »
Quote from: Skipper44 on December 17, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
Is the third top 60 OU?  They seem a little  fools goldy to me and even a young and inconsistent OSU squad could end up outside the top 50( I assume you used top 60 to be as kind to the Big 12 as possible).

OU is 16th in the RPI, it will be very tough for them to drop out of the top 50.  As long as they hang around .500 and beat KU or OSU they'll be there.

At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2012, 11:31:48 PM »
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 17, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.

i agree that they won't all make it, but:  ku, osu, ou, bu, isu, ksu
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #106 on: December 18, 2012, 12:44:51 AM »
I've voted ISU and KSU off of the island.  ISU has growth potential but they suck right now, a train wreck.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2012, 01:23:18 AM »
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 18, 2012, 12:44:51 AM
ISU has growth potential but they suck right now, a train wreck.

that's both of us.  both teams have talent.  neither have bad losses.  they still have chances.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #108 on: December 18, 2012, 02:07:42 AM »
Quote from: sys on December 18, 2012, 01:23:18 AM
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 18, 2012, 12:44:51 AM
ISU has growth potential but they suck right now, a train wreck.

that's both of us.  both teams have talent.  neither have bad losses.  they still have chances.

Yeah that's why I have both of them out, both have to show something they haven't shown to this point.  I'm not sure what you mean when referring to "bad" losses.  If you mean bad loss in the RPI technical sense, no they don't.  That would be a pretty stupid standard for judging who is or isn't a tournament team in December unless you are evaluating the field for a 136 team tournament.  If you mean bad loss as in how far away a team can look from an at large team during a loss or win, they both have more than one.  In K-States case not having a bad RPI loss is nothing to beat their chests about, as previously mentioned the schedule has been historically bad.  No top 150 wins in the non con :flush:

Before we continue down this road, given your recent past I have to ask; have you even seen ISU play?
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #109 on: December 18, 2012, 02:20:34 AM »
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 18, 2012, 02:07:42 AM
Before we continue down this road, given your recent past I have to ask; have you even seen ISU play?

lol, of course not.  i've barely even seen kstate play.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #110 on: December 18, 2012, 02:59:20 AM »
:lol: sys is fantastic
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2012, 08:30:22 PM »
Quote from: sys on December 17, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 17, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.

i agree that they won't all make it, but:  ku, osu, ou, bu, isu, ksu

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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #112 on: December 18, 2012, 08:54:24 PM »
OU misses game-tying FT with 3 seconds left.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #113 on: December 18, 2012, 08:56:23 PM »
jfc

how did the league go to crap so quick? 
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #114 on: December 18, 2012, 09:07:55 PM »
Quote from: Chingon on December 18, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
jfc

how did the league go to crap so quick? 

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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #115 on: December 18, 2012, 09:15:10 PM »
no one cares about college basketball anymore.  it is awful.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #116 on: December 18, 2012, 09:36:56 PM »
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 17, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
Quote from: Skipper44 on December 17, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
Is the third top 60 OU?  They seem a little  fools goldy to me and even a young and inconsistent OSU squad could end up outside the top 50( I assume you used top 60 to be as kind to the Big 12 as possible).

OU is 16th in the RPI, it will be very tough for them to drop out of the top 50.  As long as they hang around .500 and beat KU or OSU they'll be there.

At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.

welp :facepalm:
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #117 on: December 18, 2012, 09:42:16 PM »
good lord.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #118 on: December 18, 2012, 09:45:14 PM »
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #119 on: December 18, 2012, 09:46:44 PM »
The conf is so shitty we basically need to be top three to guarantee we get in the ncaa.  Top two out we lose to FL.

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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #120 on: December 18, 2012, 10:18:28 PM »
how many did the Pac 10 get win they were super crappy a few years ago ?  3?
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #121 on: December 18, 2012, 10:24:53 PM »
W/o Florida at this point, we won't have a signature win and will be playing in a conf that will be mocked this yr for its lack of quality.

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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #122 on: December 18, 2012, 10:29:48 PM »
Quote from: CNS Casey on December 18, 2012, 09:46:44 PM
The conf is so shitty we basically need to be top three to guarantee we get in the ncaa.  Top two out we lose to FL.

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Not necessarily, there is very recent precedent for a major conference to get only two bids.  That being said the Big 12 non con slate is back loaded & there's plenty of opportunities for quality RPI boosting wins.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #123 on: December 19, 2012, 08:42:05 PM »
WVU in a dogfight with Oakland.  Down  32-29 with 5 to go in the 1st half.  Dreamy oscar Pearl is the color commentator; he sounds like he smells fantastic.
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Re: If only the ball was oblong: Big 12 bids over/under
« Reply #124 on: December 19, 2012, 08:43:58 PM »
How is North Carolina ranked?  Every time I see them play they look like hot breath smells
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