Cats Trophy count master thread

[star seed 7]

Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12

I'll be honest, I have no idea which offensive linemen are good and which aren't. I just bitch about the entire line if we are getting killed and compliment them all if we are dominating.

 

[Domino]

Was Finney a walk on?

Also, don't know who watches the games to know which guards and tackles are better than others. I guess Lucas was that good, but can't say for certain

[Shacks]

Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12

I'll be honest, I have no idea which offensive linemen are good and which aren't. I just bitch about the entire line if we are getting killed and compliment them all if we are dominating.

 

I played offensive line in high school and at an NAIA school before my knees were too injured to keep playing, so I have a high OLIQ.  Finney and Whitehair are both very good linemen who have lengthy NFL careers ahead of them if they stay healthy.  Surprised Lucas got first team honors.  He isn't bad, but our tackles just aren't as good as our guards and center.  Then again, haven't watched enough of the other teams to know who should/shouldn't be on the first team so there's that.

[kso_FAN]

I played offensive line in high school and at an NAIA school before my knees were too injured to keep playing, so I have a high OLIQ.  Finney and Whitehair are both very good linemen who have lengthy NFL careers ahead of them if they stay healthy.  Surprised Lucas got first team honors.  He isn't bad, but our tackles just aren't as good as our guards and center.  Then again, haven't watched enough of the other teams to know who should/shouldn't be on the first team so there's that.

Lucas is the most likely NFL guy simply because he's an athletic 6-9 324. Probably contributed to him being first team. I don't know if Finney or Whitehair make it because they are "only" 6-3/6-4, but they'll likely get a shot.

Of the 3 Finney was by far the most consistent and is the brains of the offensive line. I thought both Lucas and Whitehair had plenty of moments where they got beat or didn't finish blocks. And of the 3 Lucas is the least physical, but again, you can't teach his size/athleticism and he'll get attention because of it.

[kso_FAN]

Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12

I guess the media All-Big 12 wasn't posted here yesterday. He made it on offense while Hubert was out.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/61055/media-names-its-all-big-12-teams

OFFENSE

QB: Collin Klein, Kansas State
RB: Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State
All-purpose: Tavon Austin, West Virginia
FB: Trey Millard, Oklahoma
WR: Stedman Bailey, West Virginia
WR: Terrance Williams, Baylor (unanimous selection)
WR: Josh Stewart, Oklahoma State
TE: Travis Tannahill, Kansas State
OL: BJ Finney, Kansas State
OL: Cyril Richardson, Baylor
C: Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma
OL: Lane Taylor, Oklahoma State
OL: LaAdrian Waddle, Texas Tech

DEFENSE

DL: Kerry Hyder, Texas Tech
DL: Meshak Williams, Kansas State (unanimous selection)
DL: Devonte Fields, TCU (unanimous selection)
DL: Alex Okafor, Texas
LB: A.J. Klein, Iowa State (unanimous selection)
LB: Arthur Brown, Kansas State (unanimous selection)
LB: Jake Knott, Iowa State
LB: Kenny Cain, TCU
DB: Aaron Colvin, Oklahoma
DB: Jason Verrett, TCU
DB: Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma
DB: Ty Zimmerman, Kansas State

SPECIALISTS:

PK: Quinn Sharp, Oklahoma State
P: Quinn Sharp, Oklahoma State

[Shacks]

I played offensive line in high school and at an NAIA school before my knees were too injured to keep playing, so I have a high OLIQ.  Finney and Whitehair are both very good linemen who have lengthy NFL careers ahead of them if they stay healthy.  Surprised Lucas got first team honors.  He isn't bad, but our tackles just aren't as good as our guards and center.  Then again, haven't watched enough of the other teams to know who should/shouldn't be on the first team so there's that.

Lucas is the most likely NFL guy simply because he's an athletic 6-9 324. Probably contributed to him being first team. I don't know if Finney or Whitehair make it because they are "only" 6-3/6-4, but they'll likely get a shot.

Of the 3 Finney was by far the most consistent and is the brains of the offensive line. I thought both Lucas and Whitehair had plenty of moments where they got beat or didn't finish blocks. And of the 3 Lucas is the least physical, but again, you can't teach his size/athleticism and he'll get attention because of it.

I get why NFL types would drool over Lucas, the guy is built like a monster.  But he plays soft, at least for how big he is.  If his physicality matched his size he would be an All-American.  He's also been beat on the pass rush quite a few times when he stops moving his feet, allowing the DE to run right by him.  I have high expectations for him next season.

[kso_FAN]

I get why NFL types would drool over Lucas, the guy is built like a monster.  But he plays soft, at least for how big he is.  If his physicality matched his size he would be an All-American.  He's also been beat on the pass rush quite a few times when he stops moving his feet, allowing the DE to run right by him.  I have high expectations for him next season.

I agree with all those critiques and he was frustrating to watch because of that. He can/should dominate at this level if he wants to. If he moves his feet and gets his hands on a defensive player, there are very few that can defeat a block, he just plays inconsistent and soft at times.

[8manpick]

Boston Stiverson looked really good in limited action. I think he will be a total stud and a future draft pick.

[irishpunk]

All Big 12/SEC team includes 3 KSU players as well as best Big 12 HC, offensive player and defensive player.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/04/3948626/klein-snyder-lead-the-stars-all.html#storylink=cpy

The Star’s All-Big 12/SEC team
OFFENSE
• QB Collin Klein, Kansas State, Sr.
• RB Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State, Jr.
• RB Todd Gurley, Georgia, Fr.
• WR Terrance Williams, Baylor, Sr.
• WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas, Sr.
• TE Jordan Reed, Florida, Jr.
• C Barrett Jones, Alabama, Sr.
• OL Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M, Jr.
• OL Chance Warmack, Alabama, Sr.
• OL Jake Matthews, Texas A&M, Jr.
• OL Cyril Richardson, Baylor, Jr.

DEFENSE
• DL Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina, So.
• DL Devonte Fields, TCU, Fr.
• DL Damontre Moore, Texas A&M, Jr.
• DL Sheldon Richardson, Missouri, Jr.
• LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia, Jr.
• LB Arthur Brown, Kansas State, Sr.
• LB C.J. Mosley, Alabama, Jr.
• DB Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State, Sr.
• DB Nigel Malone, Kansas State, Sr.
• DB Dee Milliner, Alabama, Jr.
• DB Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma, Jr.

SPECIALISTS
• K Quinn Sharp, Oklahoma State, Sr.
• P Kyle Christy, Florida, So.
• All-purpose Tavon Austin, West Virginia, Sr.

Big 12 and SEC individual honors

COACHES OF THE YEAR
•  Big 12: LHC Bill Snyder, Kansas State
•  SEC: Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
The Wildcats figured to be good, but not Big 12 champion and 11-1 good. Snyder won his second conference title and heads to the Fiesta Bowl. Sumlin had won at Houston, but how would he do with a new job, conference and quarterback? Like this: 10-2 overall, 6-2 in the SEC and Johnny Manziel is the Heisman favorite as a redshirt freshman.

OFFENSIVE PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
•  Big 12: Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State
•  SEC: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
As you might imagine the choice of quarterback was the most difficult. Manziel accounted for 43 touchdowns, passing and rushing, Klein 37. Manziel’s effort in leading the Aggies’ to the upset victory at undefeated Alabama stands as one of the season’s most memorable performances, a true Heisman moment. But Klein was remarkably consistent in guiding the Wildcats. If their teams met, the guess here is Manziel would finish with the better numbers, and Klein would find a way to lead his team to the victory.

DEFENSIVE PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
•  Big 12: Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State
•  SEC: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia
The quiet leader of Kansas State’s defense, Brown always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He was the first to pick off a Geno Smith pass, just as he was the first to pick off RG3 last year. Jones is a big hitter with a big body, at 6-3, 220. He’s aggressive, disruptive and has great closing speed for a Bulldogs team that won the Eastern Division.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Quinn Sharp has got to have NFL teams drooling over him. Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.

[cvmcat]

Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.

Until he blows a knee.  Then you're effed.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.

Until he blows a knee.  Then you're effed.

You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.

Until he blows a knee.  Then you're effed.

You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.

How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.

Until he blows a knee.  Then you're effed.

You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.

How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?

No. He's still just a kicker/punter. I wouldn't draft him until the last round. The roster spot isn't that valuable.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.

Until he blows a knee.  Then you're effed.

You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.

How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?

No. He's still just a kicker/punter. I wouldn't draft him until the last round. The roster spot isn't that valuable.

Tell that to the Chiefs

[EMAWesome]

Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.

Until he blows a knee.  Then you're effed.

You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.

How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?

No. He's still just a kicker/punter. I wouldn't draft him until the last round. The roster spot isn't that valuable.

Tell that to the Chiefs

Alex Henry was a really good K & P @ NUB but the Eagles only have him Kicking in the NFL...I'm not sure why this is, you would think it would make sense more from only having 45 roster spots on Sundays than the salary angle

["storm"nut]

Klein and Brown Walter Camp 2nd team all Americans. Wait, does this mean Klein is not eligible for the Ring of Honor at K-State?

[TheHamburglar]

Klein and Brown Walter Camp 2nd team all Americans. Wait, does this mean Klein is not eligible for the Ring of Honor at K-State?

I think the says something about "play worthy of Concensus All-American".  He still has a shot at the being a concensus all-american, but that's not likely.  Also, that "worthy" part creates a loop-hole.  I have a hard time believing that Collin won't get that honor someday, whatever that honor is after they take down the Ring of Honor names to put up a ribbon board. 

Also, lol at the GPC meltdown over this.  Johnny Football has been leading the Heisman race for 3 weeks, but they all just know realized that meant Collin wasn't going to win the awards on ESPN or be an AA. 

[MakeItRain]

Klein and Brown Walter Camp 2nd team all Americans. Wait, does this mean Klein is not eligible for the Ring of Honor at K-State?

I think the says something about "play worthy of Concensus All-American".  He still has a shot at the being a concensus all-american, but that's not likely.  Also, that "worthy" part creates a loop-hole.  I have a hard time believing that Collin won't get that honor someday, whatever that honor is after they take down the Ring of Honor names to put up a ribbon board. 

Also, lol at the GPC meltdown over this.  Johnny Football has been leading the Heisman race for 3 weeks, but they all just know realized that meant Collin wasn't going to win the awards on ESPN or be an AA.

The qualifier isn't 1st team all american, Klein will be fine.

BTW I'm melting down over the Davey O'Brien Award.  It has a more defined standard than the Heisman, Klein should have won it.

[catzacker]

I'll just meltdown/bitch and moan about this here:

So, like, Bishop is far and away the most dynamic player in college football.  But who do they give it to?  Ricky - a traditional power player, lifetime achievement award

So, like, Beasley is far and away the most dynamic player in college basketball.  But who do they give it to?  Tyler - a try hard white kid senior who has all the intangibles you could want and hustles and stuff. 

So, like, finally we get the try hard white kid senior who's capping off a great career/lifetime achievement and he hustles and stuff and has all the intangibles and who the eff do they give this crap to?  Basically, Bishop/Beasley. 

I'm done menstrating.

[TheHamburglar]

The qualifier isn't 1st team all american, Klein will be fine.

Yeah, it's consensus.  To get that he'd have to be 1st team AA on 3 of the 5 AA teams. 

[bigwillie20]

It's dumb but it's nothing to get worked up about.  We are K-State, these things happen to us and noone should be surprised

[irishpunk]

I'll just meltdown/bitch and moan about this here:

So, like, Bishop is far and away the most dynamic player in college football.  But who do they give it to?  Ricky - a traditional power player, lifetime achievement award

So, like, Beasley is far and away the most dynamic player in college basketball.  But who do they give it to?  Tyler - a try hard white kid senior who has all the intangibles you could want and hustles and stuff. 

So, like, finally we get the try hard white kid senior who's capping off a great career/lifetime achievement and he hustles and stuff and has all the intangibles and who the eff do they give this crap to?  Basically, Bishop/Beasley. 

I'm done menstrating.

I'm right there with you. I felt like I just wasted 2 hours of my time watching ESPN. They basically waste Collin's time, his family, the school and the fans time by inviting them to Orlando to "be a part" of the college football awards. All they do is make a mockery of K-State and make fun of the program and players basically by doing it...

[kso_FAN]

I'll just meltdown/bitch and moan about this here:

So, like, Bishop is far and away the most dynamic player in college football.  But who do they give it to?  Ricky - a traditional power player, lifetime achievement award

So, like, Beasley is far and away the most dynamic player in college basketball.  But who do they give it to?  Tyler - a try hard white kid senior who has all the intangibles you could want and hustles and stuff. 

So, like, finally we get the try hard white kid senior who's capping off a great career/lifetime achievement and he hustles and stuff and has all the intangibles and who the eff do they give this crap to?  Basically, Bishop/Beasley. 

I'm done menstrating.

I've had the same thought, especially Beasley vs Hansbrough.

[p1k3]

great post zacker