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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2012, 10:29:19 PM »
We have been thriving on creating offense off ball screens this year, Mich took that away and we really stalled. Late in the second half we really started to spread the floor with better spacing, this allowed us to score at the rim and gave Gruds room to attack the mid range. We are still at least 2 weeks from having a solid offense and oscar won't add sets until the second half of the season.

 One more thing we have issues with is setting our feet after curling on screens for open shoots.

That's an issue for high school offenses, if you're a high major college basketball player you better be prepared to be crowded when curling off of a screen.

Also you have to attribute a great deal of what happened late to Michigan not playing defense as intensively.  We couldn't get to the rim for 35 minutes and then all of a sudden we got to the rim like we were playing Prairie View.  Finally, what offense is installed when is completely secondary if we aren't tough enough to function against high level competition.  Like I said we'll see, December results will be telling.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2012, 10:36:06 PM »
There's a lot of math and thinking here. And I've had so, so much booze that I'm confident enough to post. But I'm totally having sex as soon as my boyfriend finishes his beer, so I feel a lot of confidence in posting this. In closing, go K-State.  :cheers:

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2012, 10:37:47 PM »
lol, gj Gidget

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2012, 10:42:27 PM »
So what just happened here?

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2012, 11:02:26 PM »
What just happened here? Blow jobs for everyone!! Except my dumbass boyfriend who is still out in the backyard high-fiving his idiot friends. That guy is totally sleeping alone. Peace out.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2012, 11:05:07 PM »
Your boyfriend is fat

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2012, 11:05:36 PM »
Pretty effective thread jack

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2012, 11:07:26 PM »
Your boyfriend is fat

If you mean PHAT, then yes, but if you mean carrying extra pounds from too many calories, then not so much. He's really, really hot. But I like sports way more than him. And he likes drinking with his buddies way more than bjs. So I think we might be done here.

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Re: Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2012, 11:15:16 PM »
I couldn't watch the game. Do we look weaker this year? It sounds like we miss Greenawaldt, probably more than Frank.

I don't think we have enough evidence to make this assessment.  We were out toughed today but that certainly didn't equate to strength, Michigan has no real visible physical strength.

I think Rodney looks skinnier, and none of the bigs look like they have developed physically. :dunno:

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2012, 11:16:57 PM »
Why is oscar so adamant about playing nine guys?

Diaz and Omari have no business playing.

I thought maybe it was an attempt to build confidence against bad competition, but those guys were getting real minutes today. Is this a normal oscar thing?

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2012, 11:17:21 PM »
Your boyfriend is fat

If you mean PHAT, then yes, but if you mean carrying extra pounds from too many calories, then not so much. He's really, really hot. But I like sports way more than him. And he likes drinking with his buddies way more than bjs. So I think we might be done here.

Not hot

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2012, 11:20:44 PM »
could you even imagine if this isn't a sock. my goodness.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2012, 11:21:24 PM »
Why is oscar so adamant about playing nine guys?

Diaz and Omari have no business playing.

I thought maybe it was an attempt to build confidence against bad competition, but those guys were getting real minutes today. Is this a normal oscar thing?
Believe he trying to build experience for next year, in two weeks I hope the rotation is cut down a bit.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2012, 12:15:32 AM »
First, Michigan is a lot more talanted than us.  Our top three scorers were all going against players that were better than them.  That's not a good match up.

That said, I was incredibily frustrated that we were unable to play to our strengths.  Up to this point, it seemed to me that oscar had understood that we had to be an offensive reboudning second chance points team.  In this game, it seemed to me that we tried to become a jumpshooting, then get back on defense team.  I have no problem with that style in of itself, but not with our personel.  To Michigan's credit, they seemed to crash all 5 to the defensive boards and were a big part of our inability to get put backs, but that was all the more reason, to stay on the attack.  All the talk about "not knowing the offense" is stupid.  They didn't look like a team that didn't know what they were supposed to be doing, they looked like a team that couldn't make shots and were playing better atheletes.

Defensively, I thought we played ok for long stretches, but Hardway took over at a time when we couldn't do anything offensively, then is started to snowball out of control.  Angel was really great defensively I thought.  Spradling got worked, but I'm not going to pile on him like the mindless groupthink drones on this board love to do.  Frankly, he's been pretty good this year IMO, and nobody on our team can guard Hardaway.  Agree with MIR about Sprads agressiveness.  Also thought we saw good signs out of Rodney towards the end of the game.

Ultimately, it was an ugly loss to a pretty good team.  We have never in my lifetime had a season without one of these.  I have no problem putting heat on the coach for it, but lets not act like this is some new low we've never experienced.  Look no further than the last game we played under the previous coach.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2012, 12:39:00 AM »
No one is unfairly piling on sprads, he is not a good shooter and Weber is cramming into an offense that demands he make shots.  Frank tried it too and it failed.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2012, 12:59:15 AM »
No one is unfairly piling on sprads, he is not a good shooter and Weber is cramming into an offense that demands he make shots.  Frank tried it too and it failed.

People love to hate him.  It's the cool thing to do I guess.  As a whole, he's been fine this year.  His current numbers are good, even with a bad game today.   Has nearly a 6 to 1 Assist to TO ratio.  Shooting 385 from deep.  leads the team in steals.  We'll see if it keeps up.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2012, 01:54:29 AM »

With just under 11 minutes to go in the 2nd half.... the Cats were 10-41 from the field.  Michigan was 22-42

Never a pretty thing when the other team has more than twice as many FGs as you 3/4 of the way into the game



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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2012, 01:58:38 AM »

With just under 11 minutes to go in the 2nd half.... the Cats were 10-41 from the field.  Michigan was 22-42

Never a pretty thing when the other team has more than twice as many FGs as you 3/4 of the way into the game

Weird thing is we were not taking bad shots. Just one of those games and that lead to us some poor effort defensively.

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Michigan Stats
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2012, 02:29:51 AM »
Substitution patterns did not change compared to the cupcakes. I can't figure it out. It doesn't feel like spreading experience. It doesn't feel like trying to find the most effective combos. Is he just throwing guys out there randomly? Someone tell me I'm way off about this.

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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2012, 08:16:08 AM »
Substitution patterns did not change compared to the cupcakes. I can't figure it out. It doesn't feel like spreading experience. It doesn't feel like trying to find the most effective combos. Is he just throwing guys out there randomly? Someone tell me I'm way off about this.

Honestly, my biggest question so far. I fully expected him to tighten the rotation for this game and he didn't much at all.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2012, 08:46:49 AM »
No one is unfairly piling on sprads, he is not a good shooter and Weber is cramming into an offense that demands he make shots.  Frank tried it too and it failed.

People love to hate him.  It's the cool thing to do I guess.  As a whole, he's been fine this year.  His current numbers are good, even with a bad game today.   Has nearly a 6 to 1 Assist to TO ratio.  Shooting 385 from deep.  leads the team in steals.  We'll see if it keeps up.

You're both right, there hasn't been a bigger Spradling hater than me.  He's been much better because he's looking to do more than hot potato the ball to the nearest guard, but he is not the reliable shooter racist analysts and tuck fans make him out to be, never has been, never will be.


Also Frank also went several players deep this early.  Thing is our bigs are so inconsistent that I can see all five of them getting similar minute distribution that we're seeing now until someone steps up.  Same with the small forward position, until Shane and Rodney get better Omari will continue to get minutes.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2012, 09:07:55 AM »
No one is unfairly piling on sprads, he is not a good shooter and Weber is cramming into an offense that demands he make shots.  Frank tried it too and it failed.

People love to hate him.  It's the cool thing to do I guess.  As a whole, he's been fine this year.  His current numbers are good, even with a bad game today.   Has nearly a 6 to 1 Assist to TO ratio.  Shooting 385 from deep.  leads the team in steals.  We'll see if it keeps up.

I don't dislike Sprads because it's cool, I just don't like him playing too much.  He's a defensive liability against good athletes, doesn't shoot well and can have trouble with pressure with the ball.  I like him getting fouled at the end of games so he can Jimmy Chitwood the hell out of free throws.

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2012, 09:14:09 AM »
No one is unfairly piling on sprads, he is not a good shooter and Weber is cramming into an offense that demands he make shots.  Frank tried it too and it failed.

If he can't shoot he's worthless, cause he brings nothing else to the table.
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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2012, 12:30:06 PM »
You know how sometimes people will say "K-State's best offense is a missed shot, because they crash the boards and get easy put backs."  I bet people won't say that very much anymore. 

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Re: Michigan Stats
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2012, 12:34:54 PM »
You know how sometimes people will say "K-State's best offense is a missed shot, because they crash the boards and get easy put backs."  I bet people won't say that very much anymore. 

Last night was our only game under 44% oboarding this year. oscar knows we have to rebound to win and said as much after the game.