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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2012, 05:10:54 PM »
Which part do you find hard to believe?

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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2012, 05:13:38 PM »
Which part do you find hard to believe?
It's probably that they saw a larger increase a couple years prior that makes it hard for him to believe an upset win had an effect.

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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2012, 05:20:25 PM »
Which part do you find hard to believe?
It's probably that they saw a larger increase a couple years prior that makes it hard for him to believe an upset win had an effect.

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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2012, 05:23:37 PM »
The basis for my statement was from watching the torn-a-ment in the days after the win.  They had the UNI uni president on TV and he said applications were up like 30%.  He said phones were ringing off the hook.  Maybe they failed to lock those kids in?  I don't know.  But until you go pull the statistics and post them I'm going to bask in my righteousness. :dance:

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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2012, 05:43:24 PM »
KU lost to UNI in March of 2010, right?  We need enrollment numbers for 2011.  HS seniors have their minds made up in March.

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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2012, 07:15:46 PM »
Giving would increase, the donor pool would expand significantly, the stadium master plan would be accelerated.  All those things are absolutely givens.

The contention I would have is that this isn't just about economic impact, but overall value to the school and collective fan base in regard to a number of things that are simply impossible to quantify in straight forward economic terms.

The most valuable aspect of winning a national title would be elevating the profile of our University and football brand at a national level to completely unprecedented heights.  For a school like K-State, the prestige associated with a BCS national championship is extraordinary, much more so than a school like Oklahoma or USC with an established national brand.

The nature of the football program would change and possibly drastically.  Look at what KU did in basketball following the 1988 national title when they took their program to new heights.  Recruiting would be impacted considerably and we would potentially strengthen our position significantly for the successor to Snyder when he steps down.  How do you assign a dollar amount to that?

How do you assign a dollar amount to canonize LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder as quite possibly the greatest football coach of all time by winning a national title trophy? 

How do you assign a dollar amount to the experience of 50,000 of your closest cats fans descending on South Beach like a plague of locusts while you relax on a chaise lounge at the pool at the Delano bare chested in a white linen shirt as you sip on a mojito and smoke a fine Cohiba while you day dream of Collin Klein dancing on fool's faces in the end zone.

I can't put a finite dollar amount on any of it, but if I tried, I'd put it around $500 million.



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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2012, 07:29:54 PM »
Wow. Phog level type delusion going on here.
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2012, 07:33:00 PM »
I have clients that went to Big 10 schools. Talked to one of my biggest clients today who is a huge Michigan fan. He called about some minor thing and spent the first 10 minutes talking college football because he knows I went to K-State. He ended with: "I wish I was in your position." Relationships are valuable.

You can't measure the entire economic impact, but it is big.

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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2012, 08:36:03 PM »
Is there a stadium anywhere that has a larger capacity than the population of the metro area in which it's located?

Edit: holy crap Morgantown is tiny.

Stillwater: 46,000 population. BPS: 60,000 capacity.

Oxford, MS: 19,393  V-HS capacity:60,580.

Auburn, AL: 54,566  J-HS capacity: 87,451.

Pullman, WA: 29,913  Martin Stadium capacity: 35,117


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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2012, 09:14:54 PM »
Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK  :gocho:

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with.  Yes, you know who I'm talking about.  It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein.  This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2012, 09:43:25 PM »
Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK  :gocho:

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with.  Yes, you know who I'm talking about.  It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein.  This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
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« Last Edit: November 16, 2012, 10:46:01 PM by ednksu »
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2012, 09:48:55 PM »
Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK  :gocho:

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with.  Yes, you know who I'm talking about.  It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein.  This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him.  Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2012, 09:49:09 PM »
KU's tougher admission standards are likely to give us a bigger bump than a national championship would.

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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2012, 09:50:51 PM »
Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK  :gocho:

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with.  Yes, you know who I'm talking about.  It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein.  This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him.  Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
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« Last Edit: November 16, 2012, 10:46:29 PM by ednksu »
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #65 on: November 16, 2012, 09:52:16 PM »
Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK  :gocho:

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with.  Yes, you know who I'm talking about.  It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein.  This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him.  Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
No stop.  You're a serious rough ridin' idiot.
No stop.  You're a stupid rough ridin' jackass.
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #66 on: November 16, 2012, 09:53:40 PM »
Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK  :gocho:

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with.  Yes, you know who I'm talking about.  It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein.  This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him.  Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
No stop.  You're a serious rough ridin' idiot.
No stop.  You're a stupid rough ridin' jackass.
Dude you compared Collin Klein to Cam rough ridin' Newton.  You have no concept of what went on in that fiasco. No rough ridin' concept.
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2012, 09:58:02 PM »
Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK  :gocho:

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with.  Yes, you know who I'm talking about.  It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein.  This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him.  Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
No stop.  You're a serious rough ridin' idiot.
No stop.  You're a stupid rough ridin' jackass.
Dude you compared Collin Klein to Cam rough ridin' Newton.  You have no concept of what went on in that fiasco. No rough ridin' concept.
If you're done with the name calling, maybe we can have a serious discussion.  Cam cost 220 thousand donated to dad's church.  CK cost us 3.5 million, but I still say "thank you Prince".
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #68 on: November 16, 2012, 10:03:46 PM »
Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince.  $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable 
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #69 on: November 16, 2012, 10:06:33 PM »
Something about perception being mostly reality and your degree would be worth more.

Amazing to think just a year or two ago people were having nervous poops about being in the mountain west.  Talk about a devalued degree.
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« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2012, 10:18:15 PM »
Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince.  $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable
Good points, but not what I was getting at.  I was just talking about the value of CK paying back for fact we had hired a crappy coach who recruited a gem for us.  You must agree we are in the catbird's seat because of him.
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What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
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« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2012, 10:28:37 PM »
Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince.  $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable
Good points, but not what I was getting at.  I was just talking about the value of CK paying back for fact we had hired a crappy coach who recruited a gem for us.  You must agree we are in the catbird's seat because of him.
Honestly I can't take that perspective. CK would have been been out the door after the first 30 seconds of a rough ridin' pussy team cancer speech directed at anyone in or near the locker room. To me its a bit too much of a counter factual what if scenario.  Snyder made him in my mind. 

The comparison to Cam really irked me (sorry) because he was a ready made player with a horrible track record.  He was the perfect character for the play that was acted out around him. From the setting of an overzealous fan base, to his willingness to do anything for money, the act after act was exactly what Cam was and what can go so awfully wrong with NCAA's cartel.  CK in my mind is almost exactly opposite in just about every way. 
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Re: What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2012, 10:50:58 PM »
I like money

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« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2012, 11:12:08 PM »
Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince.  $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable

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