What is the Economic Impact of a National Championship?

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Economic impact on my wallet will be about $300 spent in the ville that glorious monday night

[Emo EMAW]

These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO.  How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.

If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.

This sounds about right.   

Way too low. Like add a zero too low.

I think it's way too high.

[bakerman]

Do you have to tear up the lotto ticket or can donating the entire winnings be an option?

[EMAWesome]

These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO.  How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?

This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city

[Ira Hayes]

These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO.  How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?

This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city

No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.

2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.

T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins?  Seriously?

[EMAWesome]

These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO.  How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?

This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city

No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.

2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.

T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins?  Seriously?

How much of that $ was made off of our prior National Championships?

Exactly...economic impact like that is built by having a good program over a sustained period of time. We are trying to get to the $ value of having a NC team, not having a good program

[Ira Hayes]

So you want to know what the economic impact would be if KSU wins the national championship and then immediately fires LHC Bill Snyder and rehires either Ron Prince or Stan Parrish the next day? And all our players get kicked off the team for using heroin while they were in Miami?

In that case, $50-$150 million is probably a good guess.

[Skipper44]

It may take a while, but I would love to see BSFS get to the 60k+ range.  An NC might speed up the growth in enrollment and MHK population to get there. 

While stadium size is kind of an arbitrary thing to use to evaluate the status of a program at anyone time I would rather be in peer group with OSU and WVU than KU and ISU.

[Belvis Noland]

K-State enrollment would not jump 10% in a single school year due to a MNC.  It might jump 10% over the next 10 years.

But, yes, you're correct that increased enrollment would be a direct financial benefit of a MNC.  So would increased donations, increased ticket sales, increase merchandise sales.  No question about any of this. 

The question is how much is all of this worth.  For instance, I don't see our stadium capacity jumping up to 60K overnight.  as we're already selling out the stadium, I have trouble seeing a massive increase in ticket revenue.  I do think the school/community would see a massive influx in merchandise sales and completion of the Football Masterplan would be expedited due to increased donations.

I just don't think we'd see donations in the 500million range.   

[Skipper44]

Maybe the NC is what is needed to bring the needed tshirt fans to get to the 60k level.  60k could happen if the Sams era is as successful as I hope it will be.

[mocat]

Is there a stadium anywhere that has a larger capacity than the population of the metro area in which it's located?

Edit: holy crap Morgantown is tiny.

[Skipper44]

without looking it up, I would think a number of the SEC West Schools (Ole Miss, MSU, Auburn) might be close. 

[hemmy]

I don't know...$2.50 maybe? Enough to pay the toll on I70 going to MHK.

[MadCat]

I will sell you a one-of-a-kind limited edition National Championship, but first drink this...

[eastcat]

Is there a stadium anywhere that has a larger capacity than the population of the metro area in which it's located?

Edit: holy crap Morgantown is tiny.

The population of Clemson South Carolina is 13,905 with a MSA of 42,199.

Death Valley seats 81,500

The schools enrollment is barely 15,000. To put it in perspective Fort Hays has an enrollment of 12,000 with a town population of 20,510 with a MSA of 32,000.

[jmlynch1]

These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO.  How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?

This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city

No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.

2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.

T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins?  Seriously?

Enrollment boost of 2,000 students for winning a NC?

[06wildcat]

These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO.  How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?

This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city

No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.

2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.

T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins?  Seriously?

Enrollment boost of 2,000 students for winning a NC?

It's not going to happen immediately, but there's no doubt a NC will increase enrollment and not just for one year. Interest spikes in schools that win NCs the next academic year and it takes a few years for that to return to normal.

Enrollment grew nearly 100 percent in Snyder's first decade with zero championships. Some of that was due college becoming more important in the job market, but a sizeable chunk of it was due to being really good in the most important sport on the planet.

[jmlynch1]

KU's enrollment has steadily tanked since their NC and Orangebowl year.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Our enrollment has been steadily increasing. A national championship would create a small, temporary bump in enrollment, but there are other factors that will play a much larger role.

[jmlynch1]

I could see KSU increasing it's enrollment by 2,000 in 10 years, but 90% of those students will be international. I doubt their college choice will be affected by a BCS title.

[Rage Against the McKee]

KU's tougher admission standards are likely to give us a bigger bump than a national championship would.

[Ira Hayes]

Enrollment grew nearly 100 percent in Snyder's first decade with zero championships. Some of that was due college becoming more important in the job market, but a sizeable chunk of it was due to being really good in the most important sport on the planet.

Wrong. Enrollment was in the 15,000-20,000 range when Wefald got here. Almost 25,000 now.

[Emo EMAW]

These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO.  How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?

This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city

No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.

2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.

T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins?  Seriously?

Enrollment boost of 2,000 students for winning a NC?

It's not going to happen immediately, but there's no doubt a NC will increase enrollment and not just for one year. Interest spikes in schools that win NCs the next academic year and it takes a few years for that to return to normal.

Enrollment grew nearly 100 percent in Snyder's first decade with zero championships. Some of that was due college becoming more important in the job market, but a sizeable chunk of it was due to being really good in the most important sport on the planet.

Northern Iowa saw a nice bump just by beating KU in the torn-a-ment.  That's basketball.  And they didn't even make it the Final 4.  Winning the NC is nice, but it's not the incremental boom you folks are making it out to be.  The difference between winning by 1 point and losing by 1 point is not many many millions or billions.  It just isn't.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Northern Iowa saw a nice bump just by beating KU in the torn-a-ment.  That's basketball.  And they didn't even make it the Final 4.  Winning the NC is nice, but it's not the incremental boom you folks are making it out to be.  The difference between winning by 1 point and losing by 1 point is not many many millions or billions.  It just isn't.

I find that hard to believe. How do you know that Northern Iowa would not have gotten that bump anyway?