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Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« on: November 09, 2012, 08:02:12 AM »
Election officials told not to release names of provisional voters
By John Hanna
Associated Press
Secretary of State Kris Kobach’s office told county election officials Thursday that they shouldn’t release the names of Kansas voters who cast provisional ballots, a directive that came a day after one of Kobach’s critics began pursuing such a list in hopes of averting a narrow election loss.
The memo from Kobach’s office said the information “is not public record” and suggested that releasing the names would violate federal law. But one county clerk, who provided a copy of the memo to the Associated Press, said the federal law has been in place for almost a decade and that he and other officials have assumed they can release the information.
Rep. Ann Mah, D-Topeka, said Thursday that she’s seeking a list of people who voted with provisional ballots, which are cast when poll workers aren’t sure whether someone is eligible to vote at a particular site. Those ballots are set aside for review.
Mah, one of Kobach’s most vocal critics in the Legislature, said she and other Democrats want to contact those voters to help them correct any problems so their ballots will be counted.
Unofficial election results show Mah trailing her Republican opponent, Ken Corbet, by 27 votes out of more than 10,600 ballots cast, with provisional ballots yet to be counted. Corbet currently has 5,330 votes, compared with 5,303 for Mah.
Mah won a majority in Shawnee County, which includes the bulk of her legislative district, and she hopes to pick up more votes through provisional ballots there. She has requested a list of provisional ballot voters in that county, as well as similar lists from neighboring Douglas and Osage counties.
“It’s interesting that after all these years of releasing those names, they come up with a statute that says they can’t,” Mah said. “It’s been a common practice for years, and it’s never been a problem.”
Mah has criticized a state law championed by Kobach, a Republican, that requires voters to show photo identification at the polls. Campaign finance records show that Prairie Fire, a political action committee set up by Kobach, spent $3,123 on a mailing supporting Corbet only four days before Tuesday’s election.
“I’m just trying to make sure that every vote that should be counted is counted,” Mah said. “It’s a big hill to climb. The odds are not in my favor, but I’ve got nothing to lose.”
Kobach did not immediately return telephone messages seeking comment.
The memo from his office, with the electronic signature of his elections chief Brad Bryant, quotes a federal law that states: “Access to information about an individual provisional ballot shall be restricted to the individual who cast the ballot.”
The memo added that the secretary of state’s office “also has received these requests, and we are denying them.”







So not only is this dude changing laws on the fly to directly suppress votes, but he as the person in the state charged with overseeing elections, set up a SuperPAC to support a candidate in one of the elections he is supposed to be watching over.  Where the eff is the federal government here?  How could this possibly be legal?


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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 08:38:00 AM »
wake up dude.  the federal government doesn't give a eff about kansas.  we aren't/never will be a battleground state.  why should they give a crap about us? 

and the tea party isn't ruining kansas politics.  kansans are ruining kansas politics. 
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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 08:43:22 AM »
wake up dude.  the federal government doesn't give a eff about kansas.  we aren't/never will be a battleground state.  why should they give a crap about us? 

and the tea party isn't ruining kansas politics.  kansans are ruining kansas politics.

Well, they cared enough about Kansas to give us more than $30 million to set up our own exchange to minimize costs. Now that we have sent that money back and have started publicly pouting, they are just going to send their blanket rules in the mail and we will have to just live with whatever is in them.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 09:48:37 AM »
wake up dude.  the federal government doesn't give a eff about kansas.  we aren't/never will be a battleground state.  why should they give a crap about us? 

and the tea party isn't ruining kansas politics.  kansans are ruining kansas politics.

did you read the article, not sure what battleground states have to do with this, dude

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 09:52:41 AM »
wake up dude.  the federal government doesn't give a eff about kansas.  we aren't/never will be a battleground state.  why should they give a crap about us? 

and the tea party isn't ruining kansas politics.  kansans are ruining kansas politics.

did you read the article, not sure what battleground states have to do with this, dude
you asked where the federal government was.  I'm telling you they don't give a eff about what we do here because our representation at the federal level (senators, electoral college, etc.) is a foregone conclusion.
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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 09:54:03 AM »
Kobach is one mumped up dude.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 09:59:42 AM »
Kobach is one mumped up dude.

Yeah, he sucks.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 10:02:50 AM »
If you show up to a polling place, can't prove that you are eligible to vote there, and place a provisional ballot...are you allowed to come back days later to prove you eligibility and have your vote count?   
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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 10:54:03 AM »
I feel like I can never move back to my home state, and it makes me sad.

I feel like I'm living in exile across the state line.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 11:07:45 AM »
I feel like I can never move back to my home state, and it makes me sad.

I feel like I'm living in exile across the state line.

It sucks.
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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 11:21:12 AM »
I feel like I can never move back to my home state, and it makes me sad.

I feel like I'm living in exile across the state line.

Is Missouri that much better?

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2012, 11:21:50 AM »
I feel like I can never move back to my home state, and it makes me sad.

I feel like I'm living in exile across the state line.

Is Missouri that much better?

Well, Akin got curbstomped.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 11:23:18 AM »
I feel like I can never move back to my home state, and it makes me sad.

I feel like I'm living in exile across the state line.

Is Missouri that much better?

Well, Akin got curbstomped.

Yeah, but he was winning big before his "legitimate rape" moment. I would like to think he would also get curb stomped in Kansas after that, but I'm probably wrong.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2012, 11:29:18 AM »
I feel like I can never move back to my home state, and it makes me sad.

I feel like I'm living in exile across the state line.

Is Missouri that much better?

Not much.  We voted against the state exchange (I didn't, but whatever), but it's nowhere near as lopsided as in Kansas.  KC, St. Louis, and Columbia give us hope.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2012, 12:27:08 PM »
Kobach is a sketchy guy.  Heard yesterday that he is pushing for a law that makes it illegal for someone to take a picture of their ballot after they have made their selections.

The reason he gave was that some ppl pay for others to vote a certain way and that those guys want pictures proving that they got the vote they paid for and that this law will stop that. 

Obviously, the pay for vote thing is bullshit because he himself was discussing it in the context of ppl posting pics on social media rather than texting a pic to whoever pays for votes.

This seems like a really meaningless thing to do, so I am just assuming that limiting an individual's free speech in showing others what their ballot looks like will possibly benefit the R's in the near future in some non-obvious way given the information discussed in the soon-to-be legislation.

Also, that ballot is mine.  I may be using their computer to cast it, but it is mine.  I am not sure what the law says, but it really seams like Kobach should gtfoomf with this bullshit.  Although, I guess if he is spending his time writing stupid laws like this, that just means he isn't writing the next law providing the right for police to racially profile citizens. 

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2012, 12:37:38 PM »
If you show up to a polling place, can't prove that you are eligible to vote there, and place a provisional ballot...are you allowed to come back days later to prove you eligibility and have your vote count?

Yes.

There are several reasons one might cast a provisional ballot. From forgetting your photo ID, to recently moving and not changing that info on your voter registration etc. They are free to show up at the canvass (usually the next meeting of county commissioners) and prove they they are indeed eligible to vote. If they don't show up, the provisional ballot is usually assumed to be deficient. People casting a provisional ballot are usually not told they have to show up again, but it varies by polling station.

The losing candidate wants the names of those who have cast a vote to compare to registered voter lists and cherry pick those likely to vote for her (she's not going to be knocking on the doors of registered Republicans). But this is perfectly within her right. It's essentially another "get out the vote" campaign, where the candidate will identify those most likely to vote for her and provide them with a ride, etc. to make sure the provisional ballot is counted.

Kobach is hiding behind statutes hoping to delay the release of the names until after the canvass and certification of the votes.

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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2012, 12:57:53 PM »
If you show up to a polling place, can't prove that you are eligible to vote there, and place a provisional ballot...are you allowed to come back days later to prove you eligibility and have your vote count?

Yes.

There are several reasons one might cast a provisional ballot. From forgetting your photo ID, to recently moving and not changing that info on your voter registration etc. They are free to show up at the canvass (usually the next meeting of county commissioners) and prove they they are indeed eligible to vote. If they don't show up, the provisional ballot is usually assumed to be deficient. People casting a provisional ballot are usually not told they have to show up again, but it varies by polling station.

The losing candidate wants the names of those who have cast a vote to compare to registered voter lists and cherry pick those likely to vote for her (she's not going to be knocking on the doors of registered Republicans). But this is perfectly within her right. It's essentially another "get out the vote" campaign, where the candidate will identify those most likely to vote for her and provide them with a ride, etc. to make sure the provisional ballot is counted.

Kobach is hiding behind statutes hoping to delay the release of the names until after the canvass and certification of the votes.

Thanks, I had a LPBIQ.  The ability to find out who filed provisional ballots then contact them seems very odd to me, but if that's the law then it's bullshit to try to work around it.  If it's her right to do it, her competitor has an equal right/opportunity to do the same. 

I'm also very surprised that an SoS can set up PACs for elections that it's his job to oversee.  How the hell can there not be a law against that?
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Re: Another example of the tea party ruining Kansas politics
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2012, 01:19:40 PM »
I feel like I can never move back to my home state, and it makes me sad.

I feel like I'm living in exile across the state line.

Is Missouri that much better?

Well, Akin got curbstomped.

Yeah, but he was winning big before his "legitimate rape" moment. I would like to think he would also get curb stomped in Kansas after that, but I'm probably wrong.

lol, you're wrong.  Remember Jack Wu got 20,000 votes simply because he had an (R) next to his name.